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  1. 28 Nov '16 20:54
    Recently Hillary has been giving interviews without wearing any makeup.

    What are we to make of this? From a feminist perspective, is Hillary making a statement? Is she waging war on the male dominated society that oppresses women around the globe by making them buy and then apply makeup on a daily basis?
  2. 28 Nov '16 20:56
    We can make of it that Whodey is so obsessed with attacking Hillary he cannot stop even though the election is over. Or are you scared the recount will uncover major fraud?
  3. 28 Nov '16 21:43
    Originally posted by whodey
    Recently Hillary has been giving interviews without wearing any makeup.

    What are we to make of this? From a feminist perspective, is Hillary making a statement? Is she waging war on the male dominated society that oppresses women around the globe by making them buy and then apply makeup on a daily basis?
    I think the simple reason is that she doesn't have to try and impress anymore. Not saying you need makeup to impress but I think she doesn't feel the need personally to try and look and her best because the campaign is over.
  4. Standard member vivify
    rain
    28 Nov '16 21:47
    I have never in my life noticed when a woman is not wearing make-up. I sometimes notice if she is wearing it, but never has the fact that a woman isn't wearing any ever registered in my mind.
  5. 29 Nov '16 06:12 / 2 edits
    Originally posted by vivify
    I have never in my life noticed when a woman is not wearing make-up. I sometimes notice if she is wearing it,
    but never has the fact that a woman isn't wearing any ever registered in my mind.
    In the USA, an employer may legally establish a dress code requiring female employees to wear makeup.
    As far as I know, the courts generally have upheld an employer's right to have a different
    dress code for women than for men, including requiring makeup for women but not for men.
    The makeup requirement imposes an additional expense for women. Some women object
    to subsidizing the cosmetics industry on other grounds (such as cruel testing on animals).
  6. Subscriber Wajoma
    Die Cheeseburger
    29 Nov '16 06:55
    Originally posted by Duchess64
    In the USA, an employer may legally establish a dress code requiring female employees to wear makeup.
    As far as I know, the courts generally have upheld an employer's right to have a different
    dress code for women than for men, including requiring makeup for women but not for men.
    The makeup requirement imposes an additional expense for women. Some wom ...[text shortened]... ject
    to subsidizing the cosmetics industry on other grounds (such as cruel testing on animals).
    Is there no male employment that requires men to wear make-up?
  7. 29 Nov '16 06:57 / 1 edit
    Originally posted by Wajoma
    Is there no male employment that requires men to wear make-up?
    I am sure the movie industry does. And clowns.
  8. 29 Nov '16 07:06
    Originally posted by Wajoma
    Is there no male employment that requires men to wear make-up?
    As usual, Wajoma misses the point.

    In general, employers more expect a woman rather than a man to wear makeup if that
    employee comes into contact with the public. Some employers expect a woman to
    wear makeup just in order to appear more pleasing to men around her in the office.
    Makeup, heels, and a skirt have seemed obligatory attire for many women in the office.
  9. Subscriber Wajoma
    Die Cheeseburger
    29 Nov '16 07:17 / 1 edit
    Originally posted by Duchess64
    As usual, Wajoma misses the point.

    In general, employers more expect a woman rather than a man to wear makeup if that
    employee comes into contact with the public. Some employers expect a woman to
    wear makeup just in order to appear more pleasing to men around her in the office.
    Makeup, heels, and a skirt have seemed obligatory attire for many women in the office.
    As usual duchess misses the point.

    It's either Ok, or it's not Ok, it doesn't matter that 1 or 1000 men are required to wear make-up, it doesn't matter if 1 or 1000 women are required to wear make-up.

    The solution is of course is that employers set terms and conditions for their employees. On the other side employees personally set terms and conditions as a pre-requisite for offering their services. If the two parties agree they commence to trade value for value. To be fair duchess never said she was either for or against this occuring, perhaps she was just making a public service anouncment, or more likely her fancy was being tickled by the clatter of her own keyboard.
  10. 29 Nov '16 09:00
    Originally posted by Wajoma
    It's either Ok, or it's not Ok, it doesn't matter that 1 or 1000 men are required to wear make-up, it doesn't matter if 1 or 1000 women are required to wear make-up.
    Actually it does matter, as a difference in numbers suggests discrimination by sex. The question is whether or not discrimination by sex is reasonable. I would say that in some situations, including dress code, it is perfectly reasonable. I am fairly sure that if women were required to wear suit and ties, they would not be so pleased.
  11. Subscriber Wajoma
    Die Cheeseburger
    29 Nov '16 11:13 / 1 edit
    Originally posted by twhitehead
    Actually it does matter, as a difference in numbers suggests discrimination by sex. The question is whether or not discrimination by sex is reasonable. I would say that in some situations, including dress code, it is perfectly reasonable. I am fairly sure that if women were required to wear suit and ties, they would not be so pleased.
    Aww boohoo the discrimination, the discrimination. What about work places that have a code regarding facial hair? Sure some women can grow a pretty good mo, but the numbers hoohooohooo the numbers.

    Another analogy for you, it's found that a disproportinate percentage of people with larger than average ears are having their homes burgled.

    It means what? discrimination? So what, the point is; people regardless of the size of their ears are having their property messed with.

    Back to the make-up requirement if you're opposed to it you need to be opposed to it regardless of sex or the rationale behind the condition.

    So actually beginning your post with "Actually" does not actually power up your post with extra truth points.
  12. 29 Nov '16 15:47
    Originally posted by whodey
    Recently Hillary has been giving interviews without wearing any makeup.

    What are we to make of this? From a feminist perspective, is Hillary making a statement? Is she waging war on the male dominated society that oppresses women around the globe by making them buy and then apply makeup on a daily basis?
    Why mention this when Trump is about to betray us with Patreaus?
  13. 29 Nov '16 15:57
    Originally posted by joe beyser
    Why mention this when Trump is about to betray us with Patreaus?
    This Petraeus thing is absolutely hilarious.

    Lock her up! Lock her up! [...] Nah, actually she's fine, just let it be. [...] Well, why not hire someone who did something much worse than Clinton and got convicted for it?

    Poor Donny. Trying so hard to get taken seriously, and then when he thinks the world must take him seriously because he's the President of the United States, he just keeps on making a bigger fool of himself.
  14. 29 Nov '16 20:00
    Originally posted by twhitehead to Wajoma
    Actually it does matter, as a difference in numbers suggests discrimination by sex. The question is whether or not discrimination by sex is reasonable. I would say that in some situations, including dress code, it is perfectly reasonable. I am fairly sure that if women were required to wear suit and ties, they would not be so pleased.
    My point (which Zahlanzi understood in an earlier thread) is that male employers often make
    dress codes requiring a decorative as well as a productive function for female employees.
    A woman would not be a less productive secretary if she's not wearing makeup, heels, and a skirt.

    "...if women were required to wear suit and ties ..."
    --Twhitehead

    Although women are not required to wear ties, much advice about 'power dressing' for
    women in a corporate workplace involves making them appear about as masculine as possible.
  15. 30 Nov '16 04:17 / 2 edits
    Originally posted by twhitehead
    We can make of it that Whodey is so obsessed with attacking Hillary he cannot stop even though the election is over. Or are you scared the recount will uncover major fraud?
    Your misogynist response is duly noted.

    I would hate to feel as though I had to wear makeup all day, let alone buy it.

    I actually prefer women without makeup.