Originally posted by spruce112358Not true. Most ants and bees, for example, never reproduce.
No, that's it.
People have pointed to gay animals to prove that homosexuality occurs naturally. But if gayness results from a mutation in a gene that governs behavior (e.g. it is well known that little boys "play", but during puberty their interest switches to females, so there must be a pathway there), then the condition could exist in any species t ...[text shortened]... ic perspective, not reproducing is always a problem -- not matter how many people are around.
Originally posted by AThousandYoungMany animals, including some bees, plants and other invertebrates, reproduce by Virgin Partnenogenisis. No male is needed. The female gives birth to offspring with the haploid number of chromosones (1N).
Not true. Most ants and bees, for example, never reproduce.
Granny.
Originally posted by AThousandYoungAs sterile offspring, worker bees altruistically protect their queen since that ensures that a copy of the genes they bear at least survives somewhere. But most gays aren't sterile, nor, to my knowledge, are they particularly altruistic with their time/energy/money towards parents or siblings who do reproduce. So I doubt gayness is just an 'alternative' reproductive strategy.
Not true. Most ants and bees, for example, never reproduce.
Originally posted by spruce112358I think there should be research to make a gay virus. That way the population might get down to survivable levels. Then after a few generations where a few are still straight, the virus might weaken and allow a normal population grown again but maybe people would learn with a second chance, eh. We should have 1/10 th of the population on the planet. 6 or 7 billion is like, way way too many and it will be 10 bil before long at which point a correction will inevitably take place, maybe starving to death 5 billion but I think it more humane just to make a gay virus.
As sterile offspring, worker bees altruistically protect their queen since that ensures that a copy of the genes they bear at least survives somewhere. But most gays aren't sterile, nor, to my knowledge, are they particularly altruistic with their time/energy/money towards parents or siblings who do reproduce. So I doubt gayness is just an 'alternative' reproductive strategy.
Originally posted by smw6869Is that like, hermaphroditic ? Like worms?
Many animals, including some bees, plants and other invertebrates, reproduce by Virgin Partnenogenisis. No male is needed. The female gives birth to offspring with the haploid number of chromosones (1N).
Granny.
I always thought it fascinating that species of Wrasse (sea fish) are alll born female...when the breeding group loses its' male, one undergoes a sex-change.
Originally posted by ZadadkaA Worm has both both male and female organs, but a worm cannot reproduce on it'e own. It cannot have sex with it's self.
Is that like, hermaphroditic ? Like worms?
I always thought it fascinating that species of Wrasse (sea fish) are alll born female...when the breeding group loses its' male, one undergoes a sex-change.
It needs another worm to exchange sperm and eggs, therefor the offspring have the diploid number of chromosomes(2N). They have 2 of each chromosome, whereas parthenogenisis results in only one of each chromosome. It is not unusual for chickens to lay eggs that develope into chicks without having been with a rooster, but the chicks only have one of each chromosome instead of 2 of each chromosome as in humans.
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Originally posted by sonhouseThe estimate I heard is that the world population will plateau around 9 billion.
I think there should be research to make a gay virus. That way the population might get down to survivable levels. Then after a few generations where a few are still straight, the virus might weaken and allow a normal population grown again but maybe people would learn with a second chance, eh. We should have 1/10 th of the population on the planet. 6 or 7 ...[text shortened]... ke place, maybe starving to death 5 billion but I think it more humane just to make a gay virus.
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Originally posted by SmookiePGrowing up gay may have been "terrible" in this world years ago, but things have eased up.
...Beside that, I know that growing up as a gay person would be terrible in this world.
...If I was a woman with that choice, I probably would. Only because I know the heartache that goes with it.
The only way to truly "know the heartache" is to have experienced it as a gay person.
So, would you rather have had your mother abort you?
Most of the gay people I've met have been pretty confident, happy people. I'm happy to learn you're not a woman with that choice.
Originally posted by SJ247I probably should have chosen my words more carefully, but I was merely trying to make a point. There's no way to tell if your unborn baby will be gay, so this is moot, but
Growing up gay may have been "terrible" in this world years ago, but things have eased up.
The only way to truly "know the heartache" is to have experienced it as a gay person.
So, would you rather have had your mother abort you?
Most of the gay people I've met have been pretty confident, happy people. I'm happy to learn you're not a woman with that choice.
I'm glad you're able to dismiss any troubles gays may have in this world, and I'm glad things have "eased up" where you are. I guess it depends what culture you live with, and the kind of people you hang around.
My youngest brother attempted suicide twice when he was a teenager because he was gay, and I saw first hand what he went through day after day, and it broke my heart. He was definitely born that way, and doesn't have a choice. What he went through no human should..
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Originally posted by SmookiePIt is more likely he was suicidal because of how homosexuals are treated around him rather than his homosexuality being the problem.
My youngest brother attempted suicide twice when he was a teenager because he was gay, and I saw first hand what he went through day after day, and it broke my heart. He was definitely born that way, and doesn't have a choice. What he went through no human should..
If we had the potential to determine homosexuality before birth, and were to put aside the immorality behind aborting babies because of their sexual orientation, the overall effect would worsen society's perception of homosexuality.
Therefore, don't abort them because of the problems they will have in society, but encourage diversity so anyone "different" becomes more acceptable.
Originally posted by Hand of HecateAbortion in my eyes is a sin, homosexuality is a sin, but everyone has a right to life and happiness. Even if I knew I was going to have a child that turned out to be a bigoted piece of crap like you I wouldn't have it aborted
If you had an absolutely fool proof method of determining that a fetus will turn out to be gay, wouldn't you be morally obligated to abort it?
I think when any parent when in the early stages if pregnancy make certain assumptions as to how their off spring will arrive in the world. One of these is that the child will be heterosexual. Others will include that the child will be born without any physical abnormalities.
So should any fetus that may not adhere to these idealistic values be aborted on moral grounds? The only moral grounds of abortion surely relate to the quality of life that the child is going to have. That is why I see abortion as a completely acceptable practice as the law currently stands, If a baby is to be born to parents who don't want the life of that child id going to be compromised. So, whilst I don't see that there would be an irrefutable moral ground for saying that any fetus that was going to be turn out to be gay should be aborted, I do think that the parents should consider very carefully the society into which the child was to brought up and their own views and values in order to ensure that the child, if born where to have as good a quality of life as any other child with they may interact. This is going to be very dependent on geographic location. So I guess my answer to the original post is no; you are not unconditionally obliged to abort any fetus has been proved beyond all doubt to be gay.
Originally posted by sonhouseI think I read somewhere that some research has shown that there may well be some sort of social or biological mechanism that modulates the rate of homosexuality dependent on population density/resources.
I think there should be research to make a gay virus. That way the population might get down to survivable levels. Then after a few generations where a few are still straight, the virus might weaken and allow a normal population grown again but maybe people would learn with a second chance, eh. We should have 1/10 th of the population on the planet. 6 or 7 ...[text shortened]... ke place, maybe starving to death 5 billion but I think it more humane just to make a gay virus.