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    20 Jun '18 13:01
    Hey Left winged loons, how about a prisoner swap?

    Trump will release the children in cages that were put there under Obama in return for those same Dims who put them in cages in the first place.

    Hillary for prison in 2020! 😵
  2. Standard membervivify
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    20 Jun '18 13:24
    http://www.politifact.com/punditfact/statements/2018/jun/19/matt-schlapp/no-donald-trumps-separation-immigrant-families-was/

    No, Donald Trump’s separation of immigrant families was not Barack Obama’s policy
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    20 Jun '18 13:27
    Originally posted by @vivify
    http://www.politifact.com/punditfact/statements/2018/jun/19/matt-schlapp/no-donald-trumps-separation-immigrant-families-was/

    [b]No, Donald Trump’s separation of immigrant families was not Barack Obama’s policy
    [/b]
    Do you dispute the fact that pictures of children in cages were taken under the Obama Presidency and blamed on Trump?

    I suppose keeping them in prison with their parents is an option to be considered, or perhaps you believe immigration is a natural right that the government can't deny.

    Which is it?
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    20 Jun '18 13:315 edits
    Originally posted by @whodey
    Do you dispute the fact that pictures of children in cages were taken under the Obama Presidency and blamed on Trump?

    I suppose keeping them in prison with their parents is an option to be considered, or perhaps you believe immigration is a natural right that the government can't deny.

    Which is it?
    http://www.politifact.com/punditfact/statements/2018/jun/19/matt-schlapp/no-donald-trumps-separation-immigrant-families-was/

    Obama-era policies did lead to some family separations, but only relatively rarely, and nowhere near the rate of the Trump administration (2,000 separated from adults between April 19 through May 31).

    "Obama generally refrained from prosecution in cases involving adults who crossed the border with their kids," said Peter Margulies, an immigration law and national security law professor at Roger Williams University School of Law. "In contrast, the current administration has chosen to prosecute adult border-crossers, even when they have kids. That's a choice — one fundamentally different from the choice made by both Obama and previous presidents of both parties."
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    20 Jun '18 13:35
    Originally posted by @vivify
    http://www.politifact.com/punditfact/statements/2018/jun/19/matt-schlapp/no-donald-trumps-separation-immigrant-families-was/

    Obama-era policies did lead to some family separations, but only relatively rarely, and nowhere near the rate of the Trump administration. (A Department of Homeland Security spokeswoman said the Obama administration did not c ...[text shortened]... y different from the choice made by both Obama and previous presidents of both parties."
    Rarely? What does that mean?

    And why no outrage when it did happen?

    The issue is partisan idiocy.

    Dims were not outraged about putting kids in cages separated from their parents under Obama the same way they are under Trump for the same reason that conservatives are not outraged about the spending under Trump but were under Obama.

    Enough!
  6. Standard membervivify
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    20 Jun '18 13:392 edits
    Originally posted by @whodey
    Rarely? What does that mean?

    And why no outrage when it did happen?

    The issue is partisan idiocy.

    Dims were not outraged about putting kids in cages separated from their parents under Obama the same way they are under Trump for the same reason that conservatives are not outraged about the spending under Trump but were under Obama.

    Enough!
    That rarely happened under Obama, while 2,000 children in the span of a month are being separated from their families under Trump.

    You can't compare the two.
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    20 Jun '18 13:421 edit
    Originally posted by @whodey
    Hey Left winged loons, how about a prisoner swap?

    Trump will release the children in cages that were put there under Obama in return for those same Dims who put them in cages in the first place.

    Hillary for prison in 2020! 😵
    How about you go away and stay away. You've not played a chess game here in years, nor are you a dues paying member. It would be so nice if you were not here. 🙂
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    20 Jun '18 13:44
    Originally posted by @vivify
    That rarely happened under Obama, while 2,000 children in the span of a month are being separated from their families under Trump.

    You can't compare the two.
    So what is your solution? Do you want to go back to the Obama policy that "rarely" let's this happen?
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    20 Jun '18 13:45
    Originally posted by @mchill
    How about you go away and stay away. You've not played a chess game here in years, nor are you a dues paying member. It would be so nice if you were not here. 🙂
    How bout you stop your whining and actually debate or just go away?

    Or I could just disappear, along with others that upset you, and you can have your own little echo chamber.
  10. Standard membervivify
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    20 Jun '18 13:53
    Originally posted by @whodey
    So what is your solution? Do you want to go back to the Obama policy that "rarely" let's this happen?
    It shouldn't happen at all, but "rarely", rather than 2,000 per month is a big is far more preferable, right?

    Separating children was not Obama's policy; but it IS Trump's policy. His administration has explicitly said so.
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    20 Jun '18 14:01
    Originally posted by @vivify
    It shouldn't happen at all, but "rarely", rather than 2,000 per month is a big is far more preferable, right?

    Separating children was not Obama's policy; but it IS Trump's policy. His administration has explicitly said so.
    So you support putting the children behind bars with their parents?

    Is that the solution?
  12. Standard membervivify
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    20 Jun '18 16:42
    Originally posted by @whodey
    So you support putting the children behind bars with their parents?

    Is that the solution?
    Don't put illegals with children behind bars. Jails are already overcrowded, even for the country with the highest prison population in the world. It costs money to arrest, try and imprison them, and continues to cost money the longer they're kept locked up....in addition to having to the costs of having to care to care of children without families.

    Since you conservatives have no compassion for immigrants or anyone less fortunate, at least understand it makes more sense from a practical or financial standpoint not to lock them up. Offer them a path to citizenship; but since you Republicans hate (non-white) illegals, you'll probably just deport them. Just don't separate children from their families.
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    20 Jun '18 16:492 edits
    Originally posted by @vivify
    Don't put illegals with children behind bars. Jails are already overcrowded, even for the country with the highest prison population in the world. It costs money to arrest, try and imprison them, and continues to cost money the longer they're kept locked up....in addition to having to the costs of having to care to care of children without families.

    ...[text shortened]... ) illegals, you'll probably just deport them. Just don't separate children from their families.
    Illegal immigrants costs American tax payers in the hundreds of billions of dollars.

    Again, what is your solution?

    Giving them "free" stuff will only promote more to want to make the dangerous journey with their children.

    That is, assuming your view is that these people are coming from hell holes like Trump said they were.
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    20 Jun '18 17:46
    Originally posted by @whodey
    Illegal immigrants costs American tax payers in the hundreds of billions of dollars.

    Again, what is your solution?

    Giving them "free" stuff will only promote more to want to make the dangerous journey with their children.

    That is, assuming your view is that these people are coming from hell holes like Trump said they were.
    There are hell holes everywhere.
    Just visit some trailer parks in some states like Mississippi or Alabama. 😀
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    20 Jun '18 18:05
    Originally posted by @whodey
    Illegal immigrants costs American tax payers in the hundreds of billions of dollars.
    If that's true, wouldn't you want to abolish illegal immigration? Imagine what you could do with all that money!
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