31 Jan 09
Originally posted by KazetNagorraRepublicans argue that compitition among companies will bring down healthcare costs. American's have been waiting decades for this to happen, we're still waiting. America has the most privatized healthcare system in the world, and the most expensive. Republican solution...just wait longer!😏
Predicted response from right wingers: yes, in government.
31 Jan 09
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Originally posted by The SnapperNo right wingers I know like their money being given to Wall Street. In addition, none of them like the government being in control of health care either. The objection is based upon past performance. For example, we have Social Security which is nothing more than a ponzi scheme. We have government bail outs that must be passed as soon as possible and with as little accountibility as possible. The list goes on and on yet we have cries from the left for even more government involvement in our lives. Considering the recent insestuous Wall Street/Washington bail outs via the tax payers expense, I find it interesting that the left still turns to government to save them from the evils of corporate health care world. Have they not already been proven to be one in the same? If you ask me, if you turn things over to government the tax payers will be the ones on th short end of the stick once again. Sure, those who are not tax payers will benefit, but just like the tax payers being on the short end of the stick with the bail outs tha tax payers will be the ones suffering as the extremly wealthy and poor will benefit. The quality of health care will be sure to go down for the tax paying majority.
oppose universal helathcare, state funded education, etc. feel about their hard earned tax dollar being awarded as bonuses to Wall Street fat cats who obvioulsy aren't very good at their jobs.
Is there any other industry where ineptitude is rewarded so generously?
31 Jan 09
Originally posted by whodeyOf course, YOU supported the financial bailout until most House Republicans voted against it. Of course, YOU were one of the people saying that "government bail outs that must be passed as soon as possible and with as little accountability as possible". Of course, YOU were extravagant in your praise of McCain for suspending his campaign ostensibly to deal with the "crisis". Your chutzpah is enormous.
No right wingers I know like their money being given to Wall Street. In addition, none of them like the government being in control of health care either. The objection is based upon past performance. For example, we have Social Security which is nothing more than a ponzi scheme. We have government bail outs that must be passed as soon as possible and wit ...[text shortened]... not tax payers will benefit, but by in large the quality of health care will be sure to go down.
Social Security is not a "ponzi scheme" as a ponzi scheme is a fraudulent investment scheme which relies on fooling investors while the funding mechanism of Social Security is well known. There isn't a shred of evidence that the quality of health care goes down in countries which have universal health care; in fact, by standard measures the opposite is surely true.
31 Jan 09
Originally posted by bill718Don't worry spanky, there is a new sheriff in town so universal health care will pass......that is if the Democrats want it. So if nothing gets done you only have one party to blame now don't we?
Republicans argue that compitition among companies will bring down healthcare costs. American's have been waiting decades for this to happen, we're still waiting. America has the most privatized healthcare system in the world, and the most expensive. Republican solution...just wait longer!😏
31 Jan 09
Originally posted by no1marauderAt the beginning of the financial crisis, I was torn as to whether the initial bail outs should be passed. The public was in large part against it but the onslaught of media coverage supporting the bail outs was rather daunting and I got caught up in it. All the "experts" said we needed to start the bail outs and there was no time to wait. In addition, Wall Street continued to plumit to add fuel to the fire for support of the bail outs. Looking back, it appears it was nothing more than a loaded gun put to the tax payers head while they say you pay this or else!! In retrospect, it was nothing more than Washington and Wall street extorting money from the tax payers. Why do I say this? It is because government was monitering the build up to the credit crisis and knew full well the problem developing. In addition, those on Wall Street either knew or should have known the trouble they were getting in with toxic assets. However, in large part we are all led to believe it was nothing more than incompetance in both the government and Wall Street that was spurred by a few corrupt souls on Wall Street. Problem is, I don't buy it. However, if its true do we want health care in the hands of these incompetent fools?
Of course, YOU supported the financial bailout until most House Republicans voted against it. Of course, YOU were one of the people saying that "government bail outs that must be passed as soon as possible and with as little accountability as possible". Of course, YOU were extravagant in your praise of McCain for suspending his campaign ostensibly to dea ...[text shortened]... ch have universal health care; in fact, by standard measures the opposite is surely true.
As for your bit about social security, I guess ponzi schemes cannot be considered ponzi schemes if it is revealed that you are being stolen from. Interesting point!!
31 Jan 09
Originally posted by whodeyYou can't be defrauded if you are fully aware of the conditions of the agreement as Americans are regarding Social Security (a program they overwhelmingly support). See another thread for the refutation of the ridiculous claim that taxing somebody is "theft" or "stealing".
At the beginning of the financial crisis, I was torn as to whether the initial bail outs should be passed. The public was in large part against it but the onslaught of media coverage supporting the bail outs was rather daunting and I got caught up in it. All the "experts" said we needed to start the bail outs and there was no time to wait. In addition, Wal ...[text shortened]... nsidered ponzi schemes if it is revealed that you are being stolen from. Interesting point!!
It's good to see that you finally have come around to my point of view on the bailouts though I, of course, was saying what you are from the start.
31 Jan 09
Originally posted by KazetNagorra"Tax his land,
Predicted response from right wingers: yes, in government.
Tax his bed,
Tax the table
At which he's fed.
Tax his tractor,
Tax his mule,
Teach him taxes
Are the rule.
Tax his work,
Tax his pay,
He works for peanuts
Anyway!
Tax his cow,
Tax his goat,
Tax his pants,
Tax his coat.
Tax his ties,
Tax his shirt,
Tax his work,
Tax his dirt.
Tax his tobacco,
Tax his drink,
Tax him if he
Tries to think.
Tax his cigars,
Tax his beers,
If he cries
Tax his tears.
Tax his car,
Tax his gas,
Find other ways
To tax his a_ _
Tax all he has
Then let him know
That you won't be done
Till he has no dough.
When he screams and hollers,
Then tax him some more,
Tax him till
He's good and sore.
Then tax his coffin,
Tax his grave,
Tax the sod in
Which he's laid.
Put these words
Upon his tomb,
'Taxes drove me to my doom...'
When he's gone,
Do not relax,
Its time to apply
The inheritance tax.
Accounts Receivable Tax
Building Permit Tax
CDL license Tax
Capital Gains Tax
Cigarette Tax
Corporate Income Tax
Dog License Tax
Excise Taxes
Federal Income Tax
Federal Unemployment Tax (FUTA)
Fishing License Tax
Food License Tax
Fuel Permit Tax
Gasoline Tax (44.75 cents per gallon)
Gross Receipts Tax
Hunting License Tax
Inheritance Tax
Inventory Tax
IRS Interest Charges IRS Penalties (tax on top of tax)
Liquor Tax
Luxury Taxes
Marriage License Tax
Medicare Tax
Personal Property Tax
Property Tax
Real Estate Tax
Service Charge Tax
Social Security Tax
Road Usage Tax
Sales Tax
Recreational Vehicle Tax
School Tax
State Income Tax
State Unemployment Tax (SUTA)
Telephone Federal Excise Tax
Telephone Federal Universal Service Fee Tax
Telephone Federal, State and Local Surcharge Taxes
Telephone Minimum Usage Surcharge Tax
Telephone Recurring and Non-recurring Charges Tax
Telephone State and Local Tax
Telephone Usage Charge Tax
Utility Taxes
Vehicle License Registration Tax
Vehicle Sales Tax
Watercraft Registration Tax
Well Permit Tax
Workers Compensation Tax
STILL THINK THIS IS FUNNY?
Not one of these taxes existed 100 years ago, and our nation was the most
prosperous in the world.
We had absolutely no national debt, had the largest middleclass in the
world, and Mom stayed home to raise the kids.
What in the HELL happened?"
31 Jan 09
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Originally posted by no1marauderNo matter the morality regarding the matter as to whether it is "stealing" or not, the simple fact is that, like all other ponzi schemes, it is due to fail. My guess is that they will find another way to fund it to keep it going a bit longer.
You can't be defrauded if you are fully aware of the conditions of the agreement as Americans are regarding Social Security (a program they overwhelmingly support). See another thread for the refutation of the ridiculous claim that taxing somebody is "theft" or "stealing".
It's good to see that you finally have come around to my point of view on the bailouts though I, of course, was saying what you are from the start.
As for the average Joe, they seem to have a schizophrenic tendency to not like taxes but want Big Brother to take care of them. In effect, they want their cake and eat it too, but as we will soon see and have seen, this is an impossibility. The Republican party has been complicit in this regard. When social security finally fails at some point it will all hit the fan perhaps the average Joe will have learned from this lesson.
01 Feb 09
Originally posted by The SnapperIn your original question, you mentioned two, health care, and public education.
oppose universal helathcare, state funded education, etc. feel about their hard earned tax dollar being awarded as bonuses to Wall Street fat cats who obvioulsy aren't very good at their jobs.
Is there any other industry where ineptitude is rewarded so generously?
01 Feb 09
Originally posted by bill718There has been little to no free market competition in health care for decades.
Republicans argue that compitition among companies will bring down healthcare costs. American's have been waiting decades for this to happen, we're still waiting. America has the most privatized healthcare system in the world, and the most expensive. Republican solution...just wait longer!😏
Medicare and Medicaid are defacto nationalized health care already and account for a huge percentage of total American health care dollars. Another huge chunk is third party payor insurance provided by employers, which until recently was cradle to grave everything paid for.
Those arguing that the American system is broken, are looking past the failures of the current nationalization. This argument is tantamount to loading more passengers onto the Titanic.