Originally posted by Bosse de NageHuman dignity...
Have you been Locke'd up again?
Mebbe the context ain't clear...A group of Muslims obtained an urgent court interdict to prevent the publication of certain Danish cartoons in a South African rag whose circulation has hitherto been maintained by stories cut and pasted from ananova.com. Quoth the judge, "'Human dignity comes before freedom of speech" ...[text shortened]...
Of course the question is where to draw the line, or Mother Grundy will have a field day.
Who exhibits less respect for human dignity: the creator of such a cartoon (no matter how offensive) or those who burn embassies for the sake of "honour".
It's a clear example of the tribe sentiment that abounds in Middle East countries. Whole countries are being blamed in a completely disproportionate response to, arguably, an excess of an editor.
I don't care how bad the cartoons are, no muslim will get any sympathy from me unless he is also overtly against such responses.
Originally posted by PalynkaSomeone else justifying a wrongdoing by claiming that victims of that wrongdoing later did something worse.
Human dignity...
Who exhibits less respect for human dignity: the creator of such a cartoon (no matter how offensive) or those who burn embassies for the sake of "honour".
It's a clear example of the tribe sentiment that abounds in Middle East countries. Whole countries are being blamed in a completely disproportionate response to, arguably, an excess e, no muslim will get any sympathy from me unless he is also overtly against such responses.
And/or claiming that other victims who did not later do something worse are still blameworthy, because they share a religion with the extremists who did the something worse.
They can be "pardoned" if and only if EACH AND EVERY ONE OF THEM COMES ROUND TO MY HOUSE AND BEGS FOR MY CHRISTIAN FORGIVENESS.
What are they teaching in our schools these days?
Originally posted by dottewellRead again. I said none of that.
And/or claiming that other victims who did not later do something worse are still blameworthy, because they share a religion with the extremists who did the something worse.
They can be "pardoned" if and only if EACH AND EVERY ONE OF THEM COMES ROUND TO MY HOUSE AND BEGS FOR MY CHRISTIAN FORGIVENESS.
Originally posted by Bosse de NageI would hate to nag the boss, but have you deleted a juicy bit from this post in a sterling example of self control to avoid impugning some humans dignity.
....... If the cartoons had ridiculed
Of course the question is where to draw the line, or Mother Grundy will have a field day.
From what i've been able to gather, the US founding fathers were spilt on the inclusion of the rights to a free press. The ingenious argument put forward against codeifying the rights were that it implied that government actually could exert control over the presses, and some were of the opinion that English common law adequately protected the rights of anyone to freely publish their ideas.
The press by being the property of private interests, are simply reflections of the owners opinions anyway, so the thought that having free speech as law would actually produce that was actually viewed with a healthy dose of skepticism 200 odd years a long time ago in the west.
The democratic Right to Free Speech does NOT entail the "right" to verbally abuse, insult and degrade people. There is no such "right". To insult and degrade people is a form of verbal violence. It has no place in a civilised, tolerant society. The human person possesses dignity and is to be valued as an end in himself. The dignity of and the respect for the human person should be at the core of our universal values.
Originally posted by ivanhoeI hope it does not take away the time honoured aussie tradition of taking the piss.😉
The democratic Right to Free Speech does NOT entail the "right" to verbally abuse, insult and degrade people. There is no such "right". To insult and degrade people is a form of verbal violence. It has no place in a civilised, tolerant society. The human person possesses dignity and is to be valued as an end in himself. The dignity of and the respect for the human person should be at the core of our universal values.