@averagejoe1 saidDear Joe - Liberals have been preaching the same things about Donald Trump. Unfortunately for both, there is a difference between what one suspects and what one can prove.
You shall be the disingenuous poster of the day. A shame, to let a great thread go to waste. You deny, as the liberal person you are, that the facts set out above happened. Denial. Head in sand. Next we will hear from marauder, who does not debate, but rather, preaches.
What a wasted debate. Normally here I would predict an indictment of Hunter, but like the cr ...[text shortened]... on't happen. Why? He is guilty of SOMETHING, is he not?
Go libs. Try to out-scintillate Mott.
@vivify saidYou deny the activities of Hunter, then. all lies. All the interviews, all the research, all the investigations, gathering of info by reporters, and 0h, the laptop. I think there is a book on it? You know, the stuff Hunter did? The gun in the garbage can, the money given him, stuff my 3rd grader knows about and you don't? That is the denial, to answer your question.
In denial of what? What exactly are you accusing Biden of?
Neither you or Mutt can say what exactly what is in the laptops that has any damning information but you both continue to claim there is.
The sun rises in the east. Start with that.
@averagejoe1 saidWhat am I denying, exactly? Why can't you and Mutt just state clearly *what* you're accusing Biden of?
You deny the activities of Hunter, then. all lies.
"Lies" about what?
@mchill saidTrump? Is that you Sonhouse?
Dear Joe - Liberals have been preaching the same things about Donald Trump. Unfortunately for both, there is a difference between what one suspects and what one can prove.
We will be patient with you deniers and move along until you say, 'well I'll be durned, how did Mott and AvJoe know all this in advance'?" Problem is, there is no 'advance', it is already here, in the news, in the book, in the paper, on the news, Drudge Report, all of it. Talk shows. You and Maruader do a bad job of playing dumb. Being painted into a corner can be uncomfortable, happened to me in a debate about 50 years ago. But, ends up I was right!
@averagejoe1 saidit is already here, in the news, in the book, in the paper, on the news
Trump? Is that you Sonhouse?
We will be patient with you deniers and move along until you say, 'well I'll be durned, how did Mott and AvJoe know all this in advance'?" Problem is, there is no 'advance', it is already here, in the news, in the book, in the paper, on the news, Drudge Report, all of it. Talk shows. You and Maruader do a bad job of playing dumb. ...[text shortened]... rner can be uncomfortable, happened to me in a debate about 50 years ago. But, ends up I was right!
Aren't you forgetting something Joe? The only thing that counts is what happens in our courts of law - the Books, TV, and newspapers are just so much hot air. It's 6:45 AM here on the west coast. I'm going to get ready for work now. You can continue this with someone else - Good Luck! 🙂
@vivify saidFair question. Our side has stated the things that Hunter has done. Since you do not agree that those things have occurred, which I assume is the case, then that amounts to a denial.
What am I denying, exactly? Why can't you and Mutt just state clearly *what* you're accusing Biden of?
"Lies" about what?
@mchill saidNo, please don’t go. You say that it only counts if it comes out of a court of law. That is like saying the transsexual person activities and the resulting fraud first place has to be OK, because nothing has been adjudicated in a court of law.
it is already here, in the news, in the book, in the paper, on the news
Aren't you forgetting something Joe? The only thing that counts is what happens in our courts of law - the Books, TV, and newspapers are just so much hot air. It's 6:45 AM here on the west coast. I'm going to get ready for work now. You can continue this with someone else - Good Luck! 🙂
You are treating hunters activities the same as you are treating her activities. Both obviously wrong
@averagejoe1 saidYour "side" had not stated anything, which is why the question of *what* Biden allegedly did has been done, which you and Mutt keep dodging.
Fair question. Our side has stated the things that Hunter has done. Since you do not agree that those things have occurred, which I assume is the case, then that amounts to a denial.
Since you can't even say what Biden has allegedly done, we can only conclude you're full of crap and this thread is yet another waste of time from conservatives.
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Your "side" had not stated anything, which is why the question of *what* Biden allegedly did has been done, which you and Mutt keep dodging.
Since you can't even say what Biden has allegedly done, we can only conclude you're full of crap and this thread is yet another waste of time from conservatives.
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Another virtue of libs, other than anger and the art of segue......Libs are, as you are in this thread, in denial. Hunter is innocent of any wrongdoing. Did he throw an illegal firearm into a trashcan next to grade school? Start with that one.
But first, deny that the items listed above in post #1 happened. Careful, Suzianne will call you out if you lie!!
You lost in the Swim thread, and you are going to lose in this one.
Last week, The New York Times quietly acknowledged that the emails recovered from the MacBook Hunter Biden abandoned at a Delaware computer store were authentic. The admission came nearly a year-and-a-half late, after the corrupt media — legacy and social — buried the scandal the New York Post broke just weeks before the November election.
Merely admitting the laptop is legitimate is not enough. Rather, by concurring in the authenticity of the laptop and the emails, the supposed standard-bearers of journalism have also implicitly acknowledged the validity of the scandals spawn by the porn-filled MacBook. And notwithstanding the salacious source of the documentary evidence of the scandals, the scandals are not about Hunter Biden: They are about now-President Biden.
Here are the eight Joe Biden scandals deserving further coverage.
1. Pay-to-Play in Ukraine
The most obvious scandal bared by the emails and text messages contained on Hunter’s laptop concerns the influence profiteering Joe Biden apparently participated in during his eight years as Barack Obama’s vice president, with Ukraine featuring heavily in the pay-to-play scheme.
The New York Times, in its likely “get ahead of the story,” coverage from last week, touched on the Ukrainian angle by noting Hunter’s connection to Burisma and then quoting emails recovered from the laptop indicating the younger Biden leveraged his dad’s position — then as vice president. But the Times’ surface coverage of the Burisma scandal doesn’t nearly suffice.
Surface it was: The Times made no mention of Hunter’s appointment to Burisma Holdings Board of Directors at a reported salary of $50,000 per month during his dad’s time as vice president. Hunter Biden had no experience in energy. So, a deep-dive on the entire Biden-Burisma connection is a first step.
2. China Gets in the Game
Ukraine is but a patch on the influence-peddling undertaken by Hunter on behalf of “the big guy,” as the younger Biden referred to his dad. China also played a large role in the family enterprise, as demonstrated by, again, passing coverage in November 2021. Then, the Times reported, in brief, that Hunter Biden’s joint global equity firm, the Bohai Harvest Equity Investment Fund, had helped coordinate the purchase by a Chinese mining company of the world’s largest cobalt source in the Congo.
That deal gave China control over a huge chunk of the world’s known cobalt supplies — an ingredient necessary to make electric car batteries. And the role of Hunter Biden’s company, Bohai, in the transaction again connects directly to Joe Biden, as Hunter reportedly launched that new joint enterprise with Chinese business partners less than two weeks after he traveled to China on Air Force Two with his then-vice president father.
In exploring this scandal, the press needs to push beyond the emails recovered from Hunter’s abandoned laptop, and do what Tucker Carlson did when the pay-to-play scandal first surfaced: talk to Hunter’s former business partner Tony Bobulinski. Bobulinski provides further proof that this scandal reaches the top of the Biden family.
3. Moscow, Kazakhstan, and More
While Ukraine and China likely hold the most significant revelations, once those threads are pulled, investigators should move on to Moscow, which according to a Senate report, holds another possible scandal. That report documents that Hunter also received a combined $3.5 million from the wife of the former Moscow mayor, a Kazakhstan investor, and several other individuals. After all, there is no reason to think that a person willing to let his son sell access to the vice president of the United States would close the money train to just a few countries.
4. Ukraine’s Firing of the Prosecutor Investigating Burisma
With the elite media now deigning coverage of Hunter’s laptop appropriate, the public knows the Burisma scandal was real and threatened to be spectacularly devastating to the elder Biden. That makes questions concerning then-Vice President Joe Biden’s demands that Ukraine fire the state prosecutor who was reportedly investigating Burisma ripe to revisit.
That prosecutor, Viktor Shokin, was fired, according to statements Joe Biden made during a 2018 event, after Biden threatened to withhold a billion-dollar loan guarantee if the Ukrainian government refused to ax Shokin. A video of the event captured Biden recounting the event:
I said, I’m telling you, you’re not getting the billion dollars. I said, you’re not getting the billion. I’m going to be leaving here in, I think it was about six hours. I looked at them and said, ‘I’m leaving in six hours.’ If the prosecutor is not fired, you’re not getting the money. Well, son of a b-tch. He got fired. And they put in place someone who was solid at the time.
While the Obama administration attempted to spin Biden’s push for the firing of Shokin, by claiming the international community had demanded Ukraine terminate the state prosecutor, a State Department official contradicted that claim during congressional testimony. George Kent, who worked on issues related to Ukraine at the State Department, reportedly told lawmakers it was the Obama administration that “spearheaded the efforts to have Shokin removed from his position as the top federal prosecutor in Ukraine.”
Biden needs to answer questions anew over his threats to withhold money from Ukraine unless the country removed the state prosecutor responsible for investigating Burisma. Democrats have impeached a president for less.
5. Obama-Biden Administration Ignoring Conflicts of Interest
Biden also needs to answer questions about his decision to ignore the clear conflicts of interest involved with him negotiating with the same countries Hunter was shaking down. Of course, since “the big guy” was in on the scam, bowing out over conflicts of interest is the lesser of the evils, but it is still worth investigating to assess how Biden handled the concerns raised by the Obama administration’s State Department.
Here, the testimony of the State Department official charged with issues related to Ukraine again proves significant. Kent told lawmakers that after learning Hunter sat on the board of Burisma, he raised concerns with the vice president’s office about the relationship.
“I raised my concerns that I had heard that Hunter Biden was on the board of a company owned by somebody that the U.S. Government had spent money trying to get tens of millions of dollars back and that could create the perception of a conflict of interest,” Kent testified before House members in October of 2019. “The message that I recall hearing back was that the vice president’s son Beau was dying of cancer and that there was no further bandwidth to deal with family-related issues at that time … That was the end of that conversation.”
The question for now-President Biden, then, is whether anyone in his office raised concerns about the clear conflicts-of-interest with him personally, and if so, why did Biden ignore the problem?
6. The Intelligence Community’s Briefing of Biden
Another scandal reaching President Biden concerns his interactions with the intelligence community after the FBI, and presumably the CIA and other such agencies, learned in December of 2019, that Hunter Biden believed Russians had stolen Hunter’s laptop, rendering the Bidens susceptible to blackmail.
Here, it is important to understand that there are two separate Hunter Biden laptops at issue. The most-discussed laptop was actually the second laptop. That laptop was the one Hunter had abandoned at the Delaware repair shop. Then, after the repair shop owner discovered concerning material on the MacBook, the store owner handed it to the FBI in December of 2019. The owner of the repair shop, however, had first made a copy of the hard drive, which resulted in The New York Post’s coverage in October 2020.
But there was another laptop — one Hunter believed Russians had stolen from him when he was binging on drugs with prostitutes in the summer of 2018 in Las Vegas. While the public did not learn about the existence of this earlier laptop until August of 2021, the FBI knew about it as early as December 2019, when they took possession of the second laptop Hunter had left at the repair store.
Among other material contained on the second laptop was a video of Biden recounting the circumstances of his first laptop disappearing with some Russians. Significantly, on that video Hunter Biden said his first laptop contained a ton of material leaving him susceptible to blackmail, since his father was “running for president” and Hunter talked “about it all the time.”
It is inconceivable that the FBI and the intelligence communities did not brief Biden on this discovery and the risk of blackmail, given that former FBI Director James Comey briefed Trump on the fake Steele dossier. On second thought, that is the initial question reporters should ask the president: “Did the FBI brief you, Mr. President, on the fact that Hunter believed Russians had stolen a laptop containing compromising information?”
From there, an inquiring press should investigate to ensure that Joe Biden did not direct the intelligence community to bury this national security risk to protect himself or his son.
7. And “What about the ‘fifty former intelligence officials?’”
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“ two merit further questioning.
First, the media should demand Biden answer for lying to the country when he seethed, “I have never discussed, with my son or my brother or with anyone else, anything having to do with their businesses. Period.” The evidence overwhelmingly shows that Biden not only knew of the family business deals but was part of them.
The second bold-faced fabrication from Biden came during his pre-election debate with Trump, when Trump raised “the laptop from hell.” When Trump asked Biden if he was saying the “laptop is now another Russia, Russia, Russia hoax?” the then-Democratic candidate replied, “That’s exactly what [I] was told.”
Unlikely. Biden also countered with this doozy, which again raises the question of whether Biden had a role in the intelligence officials’ statement:
There are 50 former national intelligence folks who said that what he’s accusing me of is a Russian plant. They have said that this has all the … five former heads of the CIA, both parties, say what he’s saying is a bunch of garbage. Nobody believes it except him and his good friend, Rudy Giuliani.
We can now add The New York Times to Giuliani. It remains to be seen, though, whether the Old Grey Lady and the other legacy outlets will report on the further scandals the laptop revealed—the ones that reach the president of the United States.”
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@vivify saidOn post #10, Page 1, Mott enumerates the subject transgressions of Hunter Biden. Here he re-enumerates.
Your "side" had not stated anything, which is why the question of *what* Biden allegedly did has been done, which you and Mutt keep dodging.
Since you can't even say what Biden has allegedly done, we can only conclude you're full of crap and this thread is yet another waste of time from conservatives.
You are clearly disingenuous, or worse. How can you expect a response hereto.
From there the follow-ups flow quickly: “Who was involved in the push to silence the story and who were the executives or ‘journalists’ who bowed to the demands?” “Who coordinated with the intelligence officials?” “Were any threats or promises made?” “What were they?” “What did Joe Biden know?” “What about other Democrats and the Democratic National Committee?”
@averagejoe1 saidNo, Mutt posted a wall of text.
On post #10, Page 1, Mott enumerates the subject transgressions of Hunter Biden. Here he re-enumerates.
You are clearly disingenuous, or worse. How can you expect a response hereto.
Note your complete inability to name anything Biden is allegedly guilty of. That's all that needs to be said.
@averagejoe1 saidyou are dealing with a true idiot.
On post #10, Page 1, Mott enumerates the subject transgressions of Hunter Biden. Here he re-enumerates.
You are clearly disingenuous, or worse. How can you expect a response hereto.