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  1. Subscriber FMF
    a.k.a. John W Booth
    18 Mar '12 13:33 / 1 edit
    I will set this poser for you and then count myself out as I already did this myself over 20 years ago, after a fashion, anyway.

    Assuming you're now in the country where you feel you belong, and something dreadful happened - politically - the "X" in the thread title - something you simply could not stand for [doesn't matter what it is, chuntering on about what the last straw was is off topic!!... and "X" was such that you decided to leave your country and start up in another one, as a mixture of protest, escape, resignation, personal renewal and determination...

    Where would you go?

    Why?

    What would you have to offer that country?

    And what would you expect to be the problems you'd face there?
  2. 18 Mar '12 13:39 / 1 edit
    Originally posted by FMF
    I will set this poser for you and then count myself out as I already did this myself over 20 years ago, after a fashion, anyway.

    Assuming you're now in the country where you feel you belong, and something dreadful happened - politically - the "X" in the thread title - something you simply could not stand for... such that you decided to leave your country and ...[text shortened]... ave to offer that country?

    And what would you expect to be the problems you'd face there?
    I suggested a while back that conservatives should move to Greenland and start a new country. It is a perfect place because there are virtually no people, and with global warming should soon be an ideal place to live in the near term. To get there, you have to travel by ocean or sea, thus making illegal entry difficult. Once there, they should overcome any local inhabitants and set up a government of some sort. A constitution will immediately be drafted which will first address the need to limit government above all else at the penalty of hanging in the public square.

    Any questions?
  3. Subscriber FMF
    a.k.a. John W Booth
    18 Mar '12 13:41
    Originally posted by whodey
    I suggested a while back that conservatives should move to Greenland ...
    Any questions?
    Yes, why not enter into the spirit of this thread with a non-sarcastic, non-off-the-top-of-your-head offering?
  4. 18 Mar '12 13:46 / 1 edit
    Where would you go? Indonesia

    Why? Because you are there.

    What would you have to offer that country? My tax dollars

    And what would you expect to be the problems you'd face there? Probably a language barrier. But I am sure I could find a Cambridge educated English tutor to help me somewhere. The place must be loaded with them I am sure.
  5. Subscriber FMF
    a.k.a. John W Booth
    18 Mar '12 13:48
    Originally posted by utherpendragon
    [b]Where would you go? Indonesia

    Why? Because you are there.

    What would you have to offer that country? My tax dollars

    And what would you expect to be the problems you'd face there? Probably a language barrier. But I am sure I could find a Cambridge educated English tutor to help me somewhere. The place must be loaded with them I am sure.[/b]
    A genuine answer would be far more interesting, utherpendragon.
  6. 18 Mar '12 13:48
    Originally posted by FMF
    Yes, why not enter into the spirit of this thread with a non-sarcastic, non-off-the-top-of-your-head offering?
    I'm serious!!
  7. 18 Mar '12 13:49
    Originally posted by utherpendragon
    [b]Where would you go? Indonesia

    Why? Because you are there.

    What would you have to offer that country? My tax dollars

    And what would you expect to be the problems you'd face there? Probably a language barrier. But I am sure I could find a Cambridge educated English tutor to help me somewhere. The place must be loaded with them I am sure.[/b]
    Don't spill the beans man!! If they know our plans they will try and foil them, or worse, try and follow us there.
  8. Subscriber FMF
    a.k.a. John W Booth
    18 Mar '12 13:50
    Originally posted by whodey
    I'm serious!!
    Well, Greenland - although for all intents and purposes autonomous - belongs to Denmark. So you cannot just "overcome any local inhabitants and set up a government" and write a constitution. There is a real world out there whodey, and there are real people fed up and restless all over it. This thread is about that. Are you interested in playing along with the OP's premise and questions?
  9. 18 Mar '12 13:50
    I'm serious too!
  10. 18 Mar '12 13:53
    Originally posted by whodey
    Don't spill the beans man!! If they know our plans they will try and foil them, or worse, try and follow us there.
    Damn ! Your'e right. I'm always spilling the damn beans prematurely.

    (this sounds like an answer that should be in that porno thread)
  11. 18 Mar '12 13:55 / 2 edits
    Originally posted by FMF
    Well, Greenland - although for all intents and purposes autonomous - belongs to Denmark. So you cannot just "overcome any local inhabitants and set up a government" and write a constitution. There is a real world out there whodey, and there are real people fed up and restless all over it. This thread is about that. Are you interested in playing along with the OP's premise and questions?
    The plan is to trace our ancestery back to Denmark, thus showing the legitimacy of our claim to Denmark soil, contrived or otherwise. Then we will show the oppressoin inflicted on conservatives around the world as governments ignore our plight with zero representation. After all, democracy should be the goal, right?

    The hard part will be getting there. Then once we arrive and the local inhabitants try to get rid of us, we simply sue them decrying bigotry and/or racism. If they send us away, we simply come back in a never ending battle of futility on their part.
  12. Subscriber FMF
    a.k.a. John W Booth
    18 Mar '12 13:58
    Originally posted by whodey
    The plan is to trace our ancestery back to Denmark, thus showing the legitimacy of our claim to Denmark soil. We will then show the oppressoin infliced on conservatives around the world as governments ignore our plight with zero representation. After all, democracy should be the goal, right?

    The hard part will be getting there. Then once we arrive and t ...[text shortened]... . If they send us away, we simply come back in a never ending battle of futility on their part.
    The OP is not about starting up a new country - that has been discussed here before. This is about moving to another country, as it is, as seen, warts and all. It would be interesting to hear your response to this premise.
  13. 18 Mar '12 14:02 / 1 edit
    Originally posted by FMF
    The OP is not about starting up a new country - that has been discussed here before. This is about moving to another country, as it is, as seen, warts and all. It would be interesting to hear your response to this premise.
    Move to another country where we can be persecuted more?

    As a Zionist once said, Oivay, no tanks, we will start our own country.
  14. Subscriber FMF
    a.k.a. John W Booth
    18 Mar '12 14:05
    Originally posted by whodey
    Move to another country where we can be persecuted more? As a Zionist once said, Oivay, no tanks, we will start our own country.
    The premise is that you do move to another country and not that you start a new one. It would be interesting to hear you tell us about which one it would be.
  15. Subscriber Sleepyguy
    Reepy Rastardly Guy
    18 Mar '12 14:33
    I can't narrow it down to one country off the top of my head but for the sake of furthering the discussion I would consider a flat tax structure and a populace valuing freedom as important criteria. Countries recently under the Soviet boot heel, say Georgia, come to mind. Being that close to Putin would have to be carefully weighed, of course.