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by Congress. I can't believe the amount of incredibly stupid questions and comments from both sides of the isle.
Rep. Eleanor Norton (D) just said she's either thinking about or already bought a Toyota Camry Hybrid - and she wants to know if they expect there will ever be a recall "ever" for "any reason" on the Camry Hybrid.
WTF? First of all how can they possibly know the answer to that? Second of all how is that even relevant to what's being investigated? Of all the stupid questions and comments her's was the top so far. I'm hoping a Republican will ask a dumber one, but I'm not holding my breath.
Originally posted by USArmyParatrooperI dont know what is being discussed or why, however, its not so stupid when you consider that general motors recalled every one of their electric vehicles previously and would only lease them to prospective buyers, with no provision for buying them outright.
by Congress. I can't believe the amount of incredibly stupid questions and comments from both sides of the isle.
Rep. Eleanor Norton (D) just said she's either thinking about or already bought a Toyota Camry Hybrid - and she wants to know if they expect there will ever be a recall "ever" for "any reason" on the Camry Hybrid.
WTF? First of a ...[text shortened]... so far. I'm hoping a Republican will ask a dumber one, but I'm not holding my breath.
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Originally posted by USArmyParatrooperI'm not watching the event, but doesn't seem so dense. She's trying to probe if they've learned their lesson and are going to be more proactive about disclosing problems early.
by Congress. I can't believe the amount of incredibly stupid questions and comments from both sides of the isle.
Rep. Eleanor Norton (D) just said she's either thinking about or already bought a Toyota Camry Hybrid - and she wants to know if they expect there will ever be a recall "ever" for "any reason" on the Camry Hybrid.
WTF? First of a so far. I'm hoping a Republican will ask a dumber one, but I'm not holding my breath.
The only right answer is yes. Of course there will be more recalls. If he says no, or says he's taking steps to make sure a recall is never needed again, then he just doesn't get it. Problems get through in every major car manufacturer and he needs to acknowledge that.
You can't fix a problem if you can't acknowledge it exists.
Originally posted by USArmyParatrooperI agree with you. These congressmen (and women) are taking advantage of people's irrational fears and a very slight undercurrent of xenophobia (as people latently celebrate the vulnerability of the Japanese Behemoth after the much ballyhooed troubles of GM and Chrysler) to mug for the cameras and make their constituents thinks that they're tough defenders of the common man.
by Congress. I can't believe the amount of incredibly stupid questions and comments from both sides of the isle.
Rep. Eleanor Norton (D) just said she's either thinking about or already bought a Toyota Camry Hybrid - and she wants to know if they expect there will ever be a recall "ever" for "any reason" on the Camry Hybrid.
WTF? First of a ...[text shortened]... so far. I'm hoping a Republican will ask a dumber one, but I'm not holding my breath.
That Congress is even holding hearings regarding the possibly tortuous possibly unlucky conduct of a private business with a decades-long track record of reliability and success is evidence of a Congress run amuck with too much time on its hands.
Originally posted by sh76all I can say, is
I agree with you. These congressmen (and women) are taking advantage of people's irrational fears and a very slight undercurrent of xenophobia (as people latently celebrate the vulnerability of the Japanese Behemoth after the much ballyhooed troubles of GM and Chrysler) to mug for the cameras and make their constituents thinks that they're tough defenders of th ...[text shortened]... f reliability and success is evidence of a Congress run amuck with too much time on its hands.
Chevy 1/2 ton pick-ups with the gas tank explosions
Ford Pinto, and crown victoria, same thing.
Dodge Durango with ball joints going out in less that 20K
My truck was just recalled for a possible fire problem,,, ford.
Chevy Duramax diesel with fuel injector issues.
So this could seem to be a bit of a show.
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Originally posted by Hugh GlassBuy a Mitsubishi!
all I can say, is
Chevy 1/2 ton pick-ups with the gas tank explosions
Ford Pinto, and crown victoria, same thing.
Dodge Durango with ball joints going out in less that 20K
My truck was just recalled for a possible fire problem,,, ford.
Chevy Duramax diesel with fuel injector issues.
So this could seem to be a bit of a show.
Originally posted by Hugh GlassAnd all this time I thought it was Korean automobiles that were low quality!
all I can say, is
Chevy 1/2 ton pick-ups with the gas tank explosions
Ford Pinto, and crown victoria, same thing.
Dodge Durango with ball joints going out in less that 20K
My truck was just recalled for a possible fire problem,,, ford.
Chevy Duramax diesel with fuel injector issues.
So this could seem to be a bit of a show.
Crown Vic?! You mean the ones LAPD uses as patrol cars?!
Originally posted by AThousandYoungIf memory serves me right, and sometimes it does, It was either a Phoenix PD patrol car or Airzona HP one that sparked the investigation into the Crown Vic problem.
And all this time I thought it was Korean automobiles that were low quality!
Crown Vic?! You mean the ones LAPD uses as patrol cars?!
Originally posted by AThousandYoungyes, several oficers have been killed when struck from behind, the fuel tanks explode.
And all this time I thought it was Korean automobiles that were low quality!
Crown Vic?! You mean the ones LAPD uses as patrol cars?!
A few law suits have been filed, it seems to have been swept away now?
Originally posted by Hugh Glasshttp://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Crown_Victoria#Fuel_tank_safety_concerns
yes, several oficers have been killed when struck from behind, the fuel tanks explode.
A few law suits have been filed, it seems to have been swept away now?
Fuel tank safety concerns
While the car has been highly rated for safety, there was some controversy and lawsuits in the 1990s over Ford Crown Victoria (and its Mercury & Lincoln counterparts) gas tank leaks after certain types of high speed impacts, specifically when being hit in the rear end at high speeds. These impacts did cause fuel tank failures in the Crown Victoria. The leaking fuel in combination with friction between the vehicle and the road was found to be the cause of fires.[citation needed]
The reports that the cars were more prone to fires during a rear collision was a simple combination of four things. First, most law enforcement agencies rely heavily on the Crown Victoria as their primary vehicle, meaning that any police-related auto accident is very likely to involve a Crown Victoria. Second, the accidents occurred as the result of the officers intentionally parking their vehicles close to active traffic to shield a stopped motorist - something most civilians would never do. Third, the impacting vehicle was often traveling at, or above, the posted legal limit (70-75 mph in most jurisdictions).
The condition was exacerbated by police equipment installers drilling over the package tray in the luggage compartment. Due to the gas tank's orientation, drilling through the package tray may result in drilling into the gas tank. Installers also used screws set directly into the bulkhead and facing the fuel tank. In the event of a high-energy collision, these screws could be forced into the tank, both rupturing the tank and possibly acting as a spark source. Long bolts for mounting heavier equipment were also directly suspect. The manufacturer provided an aftermarket shield to help prevent these items from puncturing the tank during impact. Further, many investigations, both performed by federal/state agencies, and the police department themselves, have found that removable items in the trunk were improperly stowed. These items became tank-piercing projectiles during the rear-collision scenarios. Ford's second solution came in the form of a recall kit including patterns to mark unsafe areas (to drill) in the luggage compartment. Also included were rubberized kevlar and hard ballistic nylon shields for the differential cover lower shock bolts. They also included a kevlar-based trunk liner.[22] Ford used similar kits on early-1980s model passenger vehicles. For 2005 and newer models, Ford offers an optional on-board fire-suppression system for the Crown Victoria Police Interceptor units. The system itself is integrated with the anti-lock braking system as part of the activation, and can be activated manually. However, Ford does cite several system limitations regarding fuel loss and impact speeds. [23]
Despite numerous court cases charging Ford with partial liability for fires caused in accidents, the company has never been found liable in a Crown Victoria accident.[citation needed]