http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/americas/8200828.stm
Venezuelan police have fired tear gas to disperse rival groups of protesters who clashed in Caracas over plans to reform the nation's educational system.
The scuffles broke outside parliament as lawmakers debated a bill that would broaden state control over schools.
President Hugo Chavez backs the bill that requires curriculums to be based on the ideals espoused by 19th Century independence hero Simon Bolivar.
Opponents say the changes would amount to indoctrination
....
It looks like venezuela is becoming more authoritarian every day.
We can see how hugo chavez has developed latin-america's brand of stalinism, you have an increasing government control of every aspect of venezuelan life.
what's next?
Originally posted by generalissimoWhat's next?
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/americas/8200828.stm
[b]Venezuelan police have fired tear gas to disperse rival groups of protesters who clashed in Caracas over plans to reform the nation's educational system.
The scuffles broke outside parliament as lawmakers debated a bill that would broaden state control over schools.
President Hugo Chave ...[text shortened]... you have an increasing government control of every aspect of venezuelan life.
what's next?
Probably an assertion coming from Caracas that US agents are behind the protest, followed by an "Americas are Devils" speech from the great man himself.
Originally posted by sh76oh yes, the same ol' "the Yankees are behind it!"
What's next?
Probably an assertion coming from Caracas that US agents are behind the protest, followed by an "Americas are Devils" speech from the great man himself.
I think the fact that there are people protesting proves how not all venezuelans have been brainwashed by the government.
However, it is unfortunate that protests alone won't do anything, since chavez controls both the assembly and the media, it is certain that the bill will be approved.
Originally posted by KazetNagorraOverkill.
So, how much longer before Chavéz is going to stage a fire in parliament and blame the Americans for it?
Hitler needed to do it to squash domestic dissent.
Seems like a an unnecessary step to demonize a foreign power, which he can do anyway since he has the media under his thumb.
Originally posted by sh76It was just a figure of speech, I'm sure Chávez will abolish democracy within the next decade (unless the CIA manages to assasinate him 😉 ).
Overkill.
Hitler needed to do it to squash domestic dissent.
Seems like a an unnecessary step to demonize a foreign power, which he can do anyway since he has the media under his thumb.
Originally posted by generalissimoThey have reason to suspect it. Bay of Pigs, Grenada, the Contras, etc. all in Latin America.
oh yes, the same ol' "the Yankees are behind it!"
I think the fact that there are people protesting proves how not all venezuelans have been brainwashed by the government.
However, it is unfortunate that protests alone won't do anything, since chavez controls both the assembly and the media, it is certain that the bill will be approved.
The full text from the BBC, showing some selectivism in the lines in the OP...
I don't see anything authoritarian in this. Many countries have a state-set national ciricculum, which sets out what should be taught.
"Venezuelan police have fired tear gas to disperse rival groups of protesters who clashed in Caracas over plans to reform the nation's educational system.
The scuffles broke outside parliament as lawmakers debated a bill that would broaden state control over schools.
President Hugo Chavez backs the bill that requires curriculums to be based on the ideals espoused by 19th Century independence hero Simon Bolivar.
Opponents say the changes would amount to indoctrination.
"They don't use the word 'socialism', but that's what they want to introduce in our schools," Ray Gonzalez, who opposes the bill, was quoted as saying by the Associated Press.
Supporters of the legislation reject such allegations, saying the document stipulates that teaching should be "open to all forms of thinking".
Meanwhile, a local Caracas newspaper reported that a group of its reporters had been attacked by pro-government supporters.
The newspaper said the attack happened as the journalists were handing out leaflets against the proposed bill.
The document orders the country's public and private schools to base their teaching on "the Bolivarian Doctrine" - a reference to Simon Bolivar's ideals, such as Latin American unity and national self-determination."
Originally posted by sh76Good post! But the common folk aren't generally very logical. Koreans generally still hate the Japanese I've found, though they often will deny it at first because they don't want to seem bigoted.
When all examples are more than 20 years old, you know the argument is not all that strong.
Originally posted by RedmikeI bet the Jesuits are deeply involved in this. This is EXACTLY the kind of thing they are into...indoctrinating children into radical left wing politics, using the classroom as a place to develop political power (of course they say it's "helping the children realize how oppressed they are" and the like).
The full text from the BBC, showing some selectivism in the lines in the OP...
I don't see anything authoritarian in this. Many countries have a state-set national ciricculum, which sets out what should be taught.
"Venezuelan police have fired tear gas to disperse rival groups of protesters who clashed in Caracas over plans to reform the nation's educa Bolivar's ideals, such as Latin American unity and national self-determination."
How do I know? I am getting my Master's in Education at a Jesuit university and they're quite open about it.
Originally posted by generalissimoPoor Venezuelans, a socialist relic in a modern world.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/americas/8200828.stm
[b]Venezuelan police have fired tear gas to disperse rival groups of protesters who clashed in Caracas over plans to reform the nation's educational system.
The scuffles broke outside parliament as lawmakers debated a bill that would broaden state control over schools.
President Hugo Chave ...[text shortened]... you have an increasing government control of every aspect of venezuelan life.
what's next?
Originally posted by RedmikeMany countries have a state-set national ciricculum, which sets out what should be taught.
The full text from the BBC, showing some selectivism in the lines in the OP...
I don't see anything authoritarian in this. Many countries have a state-set national ciricculum, which sets out what should be taught.
"Venezuelan police have fired tear gas to disperse rival groups of protesters who clashed in Caracas over plans to reform the nation's educa Bolivar's ideals, such as Latin American unity and national self-determination."
don't you think ideology should be kept out of schools?
Supporters of the legislation reject such allegations, saying the document stipulates that teaching should be "open to all forms of thinking".
of course they say that, but does that mean it is true? no.
Chavez has always tried to silence oppositors.
The newspaper said the attack happened as the journalists were handing out leaflets against the proposed bill.
you see?
people can't speak up against the government anymore, because of the harassment.
Originally posted by generalissimoKeeping ideology out of schools isn't the same as the state setting down a cirruculum.
[b]Many countries have a state-set national ciricculum, which sets out what should be taught.
don't you think ideology should be kept out of schools?
Supporters of the legislation reject such allegations, saying the document stipulates that teaching should be "open to all forms of thinking".
of course they say that, but does that ...[text shortened]... you see?
people can't speak up against the government anymore, because of the harassment.[/b]
You seem to be assuming, without foundation, that the supporters of the legislation were wrong. You need something better than "but does that mean it is true? no.".
And newspaper journalists handing out leaflets against the legislation. You think this ok? Journalists are supposed to report the facts.
This is just the usual anti-Chavez junk.