Question for debate: Is there a compelling reason why Roundup weed killer should not be banned in the USA?
Papers which show Roundup is safe - published nearly 25 years ago - are being retracted because they were ghostwritten by the company that produces it.
The chemical in Roundup, called glyphosate, is harmful to human health and yet it has permeated through nearly all of America. Every year more than 100,000 tons of this chemical are spread on cornfields, leeched into drinking water, and stuck on nearly every blade of grass on every park and yard. If you go to Walmart, there's an entire aisle of various types of this chemical you can buy to poison yourself and others. It's been rightfully banned in Europe based on rigorous scientific evidence showing that it is toxic.
Once it was shown the science was fraudulent, it took another 8 years for the retraction (which happened on Friday). That's 8 more years of this chemical causing decreased birthweights and premature pregnancies, among many other things. And still no response from our government regarding a ban.
So why's it everywhere in the USA? RFK is too focused on policies which are going to give people more liver cancer.
https://www.science.org/content/article/journal-retracts-weed-killer-study-backed-monsanto-citing-serious-ethical-concerns
https://www.science.org/content/article/common-weed-killer-may-be-harming-infants
@wildgrass saidAnybody out there in MAHA land want to defend the use of stable toxic chemicals for farming that are soluble in drinking water?
Question for debate: Is there a compelling reason why Roundup weed killer should not be banned in the USA?
Papers which show Roundup is safe - published nearly 25 years ago - are being retracted because they were ghostwritten by the company that produces it.
The chemical in Roundup, called glyphosate, is harmful to human health and yet it has permeated through nearly ...[text shortened]... thical-concerns
https://www.science.org/content/article/common-weed-killer-may-be-harming-infants
@wildgrass saidThis product has been proven to cause cancer, mainly in the elderly. Needless to say, it's not good for kids, either.
Question for debate: Is there a compelling reason why Roundup weed killer should not be banned in the USA?
Papers which show Roundup is safe - published nearly 25 years ago - are being retracted because they were ghostwritten by the company that produces it.
The chemical in Roundup, called glyphosate, is harmful to human health and yet it has permeated through nearly ...[text shortened]... thical-concerns
https://www.science.org/content/article/common-weed-killer-may-be-harming-infants
Monsanto is a blight on America. They almost killed all the honeybees in America with their neonicotinoid-based pesticides.
What doesn't help is the Republican Party's dependence on kickbacks from Corporate America, encouraged by corporate welfare.
And look how long it took to get people to stop smoking. Gains in that weren't truly made until we made it socially unacceptable. Americans used to not take their health seriously. Now that we do, we have an idiot as our health czar. Go figure.
@Suzianne saidSmoking is a personal choice but glyphosate in the chicken soup is a poison that all of us just have to ingest now unless we don't want to eat food anymore.
This product has been proven to cause cancer, mainly in the elderly. Needless to say, it's not good for kids, either.
Monsanto is a blight on America. They almost killed all the honeybees in America with their neonicotinoid-based pesticides.
What doesn't help is the Republican Party's dependence on kickbacks from Corporate America, encouraged by corporate welfare ...[text shortened]... o not take their health seriously. Now that we do, we have an idiot as our health czar. Go figure.
@Suzianne saidThe lifespan of dogs has also decreased in the last 20 years, likely caused by lawn weed killers and insecticides.
This product has been proven to cause cancer, mainly in the elderly. Needless to say, it's not good for kids, either.
Monsanto is a blight on America. They almost killed all the honeybees in America with their neonicotinoid-based pesticides.
What doesn't help is the Republican Party's dependence on kickbacks from Corporate America, encouraged by corporate welfare ...[text shortened]... o not take their health seriously. Now that we do, we have an idiot as our health czar. Go figure.
@Of-Ants-and-Imps saidThe studies I have seen show that not using glyphosate in France has increased costs by 12-200 euros per hectare. A hectare produces thousands of bottles of wine. So that is like a few pennies extra per bottle of wine to avoid ingesting toxic compounds.
Environmentally sustainable alternatives have been researched, for disease control, like biofumigants. I'm no sure of the uptake, kind've makes slow release starch.
Seems like a no-brainer.
I would still respect other studies before that have accumulated weight included, versus just saying the toxicity OMg. Are those lawsuits settled by jury unanimous? I doubt it will stir much up, until the 1% evidence of birth effects (potential defects) gets retracted due to increases.
And the chemical type is comparable to antibiotics, yet stronger in plant enzymes affected. So my thinking is the problem concerns the abuse of application, and slight overuse. Edit: also harmful interaction perhaps on level of allergic reaction,
@Of-Ants-and-Imps saidI don't really think it's necessary to start posting all the science articles, but there is solid proof that Roundup is a neurotoxin in mammals. Of course, the dose is critical to assessing whether it is actually causing human disease, but your post seems to downplay the harm it has proven to have caused.
I would still respect other studies before that have accumulated weight included, versus just saying the toxicity OMg. Are those lawsuits settled by jury unanimous? I doubt it will stir much up, until the 1% evidence of birth effects (potential defects) gets retracted due to increases.
And the chemical type is comparable to antibiotics, yet stronger in plant enzym ...[text shortened]... plication, and slight overuse. Edit: also harmful interaction perhaps on level of allergic reaction,
And while some of the environmental exposure evidence is debatable, there's a lot more evidence linking autism spectrum disorders to Roundup exposure than to Tylenol use, but our current administration wants us to believe the opposite.
Reproductive damage, fetal development issues, hormonal imbalances, increased risk of leukemia and lymphoma, those findings also appear to be based on solid evidence in the literature, perhaps by distinct mechanisms.
Antibiotics use, just like the other example of smoking, is a personal choice which is not the same. Overuse of Roundup is killing other people. It is a side effect of industrial farming lobbying or your neighbors insistence on ridding the world of dandelions by bombing their yard with massive quantities of neurotoxic chemicals.
@wildgrass saidYes. I fully agree.
The lifespan of dogs has also decreased in the last 20 years, likely caused by lawn weed killers and insecticides.
I use a vinegar (acetic acid) based weed killer in my yard and my pest control company uses chemicals considered "green" with the least environmental side effects.
@wildgrass saidA no-brainer that the Trump Administration is not willing to adopt. Trump's EPA is useless.
The studies I have seen show that not using glyphosate in France has increased costs by 12-200 euros per hectare. A hectare produces thousands of bottles of wine. So that is like a few pennies extra per bottle of wine to avoid ingesting toxic compounds.
Seems like a no-brainer.
@Of-Ants-and-Imps saidProperty rights don't allow you to poison your neighbors.
Regardless your given persistence, state property rights cover water resource use, so I would pursue efforts to curb pollution with water quality treatment facilities 👍
The problem is that glyphosate is not legally considered poisonous. Despite exhaustive research to the contrary, many lawmakers have cited the 2000 paper that was just retracted due to fraudulent data and the paper was ghostwritten by the company that makes glyphosate.
I don't think utilities should be charging residents who don't use poison on their lawns to treat the water supply with expensive reverse osmosis apparatus just because other people do use poison on their lawns.
If you use poison on your lawn or your cornfield, you should pay higher taxes to offset the cost for people who don't use poison.
@Suzianne saidGood for you. Saves money, promotes biodiversity, and has the added benefits of not poisoning you, your neighbors or their pets.
Yes. I fully agree.
I use a vinegar (acetic acid) based weed killer in my yard and my pest control company uses chemicals considered "green" with the least environmental side effects.
@Suzianne saidPest control you should not use outdoors at all, unless you have ticks.
Yes. I fully agree.
I use a vinegar (acetic acid) based weed killer in my yard and my pest control company uses chemicals considered "green" with the least environmental side effects.
We had someone in our house once telling us about pest control options, and I asked "what chemicals are in your product?"and his answer was "no one's ever asked me that before".