@vivify saidDude you're really disappointing me .
Why do you ignore what I said about Trump deliberately separating families from children, unlike Biden?
I will give you this: there was furor over Trump putting children in cages while there was not for Obama, and probably won't be for Biden. This is true. But again: the difference (and don't dodge it this time) is that Trump deliberately separated families as a F U to immigrants.
What do you mean "unlike Biden". What, those families accidentally wondered into ICE concentration camps and got separated?
It's a deliberate policy and not changing it is a deliberate act. Don't tell me Biden has no other choice.
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@zahlanzi saidWhat? I haven't heard of this.
Dude common, do better.
No, Biden has no excuse for separating children at the border from their parents.
https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/biden-admin-will-let-migrant-families-separated-under-trump-reunite-inside-us/ar-BB1e7ulu
Biden admin will let migrant families separated under Trump reunite inside U.S.
I've heard exactly the opposite of what you're claiming. If you have information that Biden is actually doing the same thing Trump's doing, please enlighten me. And I don't mean that sarcastically or in a challenging way, I mean that sincerely.
@vivify said"If Biden is using a cages a last resort because there's nowhere else to put children, that's not comparable to separating children from their parents to teach immigrants a lesson."
What? I haven't heard of this.
https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/biden-admin-will-let-migrant-families-separated-under-trump-reunite-inside-us/ar-BB1e7ulu
Biden admin will let migrant families separated under Trump reunite inside U.S.
I've heard exactly the opposite of what you're claiming. If you have information that Biden is actually doing the same ...[text shortened]... e enlighten me. And I don't mean that sarcastically or in a challenging way, I mean that sincerely.
I was replying to this. You heavily imply that you would be ok with Biden separating children from their families if they feel bad about it. If that wasn't what you mean i apologize.
It seems Biden is trying to move away from separating families. That is true. However that doesn't mean he is off the hook. Separating children from a grandparent or uncle or adult sibling or whoever the bureaucracy deems "a stranger" is still traumatizing. Keeping ICE around is still bad. Turning away adults fleeing gang wars and poverty and military coups (many of which the US caused) is still inhumane.
Biden still needs to be pressured into doing more and you shouldn't consider current policy as good enough because it's better than Trump.
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@zahlanzi saidThere are scores of unaccompanied children crossing boarder, meaning those children are arriving at the boarder without families. This is also the topic of thread, as mentioned in the thread title and the OP.
"If Biden is using a cages a last resort because there's nowhere else to put children, that's not comparable to separating children from their parents to teach immigrants a lesson."
I was replying to this. You heavily imply that you would be ok with Biden separating children from their families if they feel bad about it.
I was saying that if Biden must put these unaccompanied children (who arrived without family) in cages because he absolutely has no other choice for where to house them, that's not comparable to Trump who deliberately separated kids from their parents to punish migrants.
Earl is trying to make it seem like Dems are being hypocritical for complaining when Trump caged children. I was simply pointing out the difference, which is significant here.
But if Biden is separating children from their families, I have a problem with that. I simply haven't heard of Biden doing so as of yet; I've heard the exact opposite, as shown in that link I posted.
@vivify said"There are scores of unaccompanied children crossing boarder, meaning those children are arriving at the boarder without families. "
There are scores of unaccompanied children crossing boarder, meaning those children are arriving at the boarder without families. This is also the topic of thread, as mentioned in the thread title and the OP.
I was saying that if Biden must put these unaccompanied children (who arrived without family) in cages because he absolutely has no other choice for where to house ...[text shortened]... 't heard of Biden doing so as of yet; I've heard the exact opposite, as shown in that link I posted.
With the caveat that children travelling with an adult sibling/grandmother/uncle/etc are also considered "unaccompanied"
"I was saying that if Biden must put these unaccompanied children (who arrived without family) in cages because he absolutely has no other choice for where to house them, that's not comparable to Trump who deliberately separated kids from their parents to punish migrants. "
And i am saying the fact that it is uncomparable (to you) is not a justification. You must hold Biden accountable . "Absolutely no other choice" should not be a valid excuse, for anyone.
"Earl is trying to make it seem like Dems are being hypocritical for complaining when Trump caged children."
They are. Not to the extent the hypocritical lying ashole claims, but still. The reason for caged children is barely important. You must do better. Yes, the outrage was higher for Trump than for Biden because Biden is trying to be humane. He is still coming short from what should be and he should be asked to do better.
"I've heard the exact opposite, as shown in that link I posted."
Like i said, progress was made yet there are still circumstance where families are separated.
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@zahlanzi saidDidn't know that. If Biden is separating these children from their families, he's completely wrong.
With the caveat that children travelling with an adult sibling/grandmother/uncle/etc are also considered "unaccompanied"
Yes, the outrage was higher for Trump than for Biden because Biden is trying to be humane. He is still coming short from what should be and he should be asked to do better.
In a country that is by far the richest in the world and one of the largest, I agree Biden and this government should do far better than this. There shouldn't be any reason why room can't be found somewhere or at least built that is more suitable than cages.
@vivify saidexcellent, we are in agreement
Didn't know that. If Biden is separating these children from their families, he's completely wrong.
Yes, the outrage was higher for Trump than for Biden because Biden is trying to be humane. He is still coming short from what should be and he should be asked to do better.
In a country that is by far the richest in the world and one of the largest, I agree Bide ...[text shortened]... be any reason why room can't be found somewhere or at least built that is more suitable than cages.
@earl-of-trumps saidHow are they getting past the Great Wall of Trump?
Joe Biden has attracted the immigrants like a honey attracts flies. Two problems stick out, one is spoken of - unaccompanied children, and the other never is, the immigration being a COVID Supper Spreader event, in continuum.
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[b]Explainer: Why more migrant children are arriving at the U.S.-Mexico border[/ ...[text shortened]... en-explainer/explainer-why-more-migrant-children-are-arriving-at-the-u-s-mexico-border-idUSKBN2BA11B
@earl-of-trumps saidJustice system caging Trump is good.
So, Obama caging children is good,
Trump caging children is bad,,
Biden caging children is good!
By Jeeeezus, I knew you dems could find a way. Good job.
There you go.
Now you can say "good job". 😛