I don't understand ........ there is massive incentive for WMDs to be discovered in iraq - but there are none found!
i expected either genuine or planted evidence to prove that sadam's WMDs existed - regardless of the truth.
this could be planted by high level action (bush, rumsfeld etc) or by any level right down to the most junior levels of the us military.
but there is none.
i am pleasantly surprised!
are we to assume the us military is not corrupt? that there is an honesty there which most of us in the rest of the world did not expect?
- i hope so !
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Originally posted by flexmoreCan you imagine the national and international reaction if the US claimed it had found WMDs, and then it was discovered that they'd just planted them out of political expediency? It would be a bit of a gamble on the US's part, to say the least, especially as people would have trouble believing them even if it couldn't be proved that they'd made it all up. Ditto for 'rogue elements' inside the US military, except that they'd have their bosses to answer to. But if the incentive was great enough, I think someone would do it. As it is said, "Everyone has their price." The question is how much it would take.
I don't understand ........ there is massive incentive for WMDs to be discovered in iraq - but there are none found!
i expected either genuine or planted evidence to prove that sadam's WMDs existed - regardless of the truth.
this c ...[text shortened]... of us in the rest of the world did not expect?
- i hope so !
🙂
Originally posted by flexmoreThat's an interseting point. I have not heard that view before and it give one pause to wonder. It seems like planting some kind of evidence would be the way to go. It wouldn't take much and it would take the heat off the president who needs something for the next election. I suppose even if something was found, everyone would accuse the US of planting it. But even so, it would be more benificial that finding so little.
I don't understand ........ there is massive incentive for WMDs to be discovered in iraq - but there are none found!
i expected either genuine or planted evidence to prove that sadam's WMDs existed - regardless of the truth.
this could be planted by high level action (bush, rumsfeld etc) or by any level right down to the most junior levels of the us ...[text shortened]... is an honesty there which most of us in the rest of the world did not expect?
- i hope so !
🙂
OT. What I really want to know though, is how did you get TWO recommends with a "😳" post in the gloabal warming thread?!?!? That is a mystery. Would the recommenders care to comment??
All the WMDs went to Syria.
Originally posted by ColettiNow thats not likely, you can not in the heat of the batle put all your WMD on trucks and drive them to Syria. Let alone undiscovered.
That's an interseting point. I have not heard that view before and it give one pause to wonder.
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All the WMDs went to Syria.
The US would have discovered and prevented any such attempt.
Originally posted by ScheelThe WMD would have been moved to Syria before the war started. Sadam had plenty of warning - he knew what was coming. If he still had them at the start, I think he would have used them. So the WMD were move out shortly before the start of the war.
Now thats not likely, you can not in the heat of the batle put all your WMD on trucks and drive them to Syria. Let alone undiscovered.
The US would have discovered and prevented any such attempt.
Originally posted by flexmoreAnd if they had found them legit you would have claimed they were planted. Just can't please you any way. And yes the military consists of individuals for the most part of high moral character. You would know that if you had ever worn the uniform.
I don't understand ........ there is massive incentive for WMDs to be discovered in iraq - but there are none found!
i expected either genuine or planted evidence to prove that sadam's WMDs existed - regardless of the truth.
this could be planted by high level action (bush, rumsfeld etc) or by any level right down to the most junior levels of the us ...[text shortened]... is an honesty there which most of us in the rest of the world did not expect?
- i hope so !
🙂
Originally posted by slimjimI salute you slimjim. Even though I was only a lowely PFC in the National Guard. 😀
And if they had found them legit you would have claimed they were planted. Just can't please you any way. And yes the military consists of individuals for the most part of high moral character. You would know that if you had ever worn the uniform.
Originally posted by flexmoreMay I chime in?
I don't understand ........ there is massive incentive for WMDs to be discovered in iraq - but there are none found!
i expected either genuine or planted evidence to prove that sadam's WMDs existed - regardless of the truth.
this c ...[text shortened]... of us in the rest of the world did not expect?
- i hope so !
🙂
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Originally posted by ColettiSurely not!
The WMD would have been moved to Syria before the war started. Sadam had plenty of warning - he knew what was coming. If he still had them at the start, I think he would have used them. So the WMD were move out shortly before the start of the war.
There has been mass surveillance of Iraq for the last 12 years. You couldn't poke your nose without some satelite picking it up.
WMD, or more specifically nuclear weapons and biological weapons can't be carried in suitcases (most of the time that is...I believe the KGB had a hand bag nuclear bomb...but they also had anti-hangover pills that don't work as well) and to move them would be a massive operation no matter what the circumstances.
It would have been picked up by satelite, no problemo. No sattelites photographed convoys heading in and out of Syria.
And let's be honest, if the goal was to rid the world of these nuclear weapons, why attack Iraq if the weapons were in Syria?
The sad fact of the matter is that the international body headed by Blix found no trace of WMD since 1998.
Sure, you can swivel on your chair shouting: "They were hoaxed and led around the garden."
And I believe they probably were. But, even then, there would have been traces.
None. What-so-ever.
If we assume that Saddam had WMDs, we have to ask what their purpose was.
Imagine you're Saddam. Your great enemy, the US, is invading. You've got Weapons of Mass Destruction. I know - lets ship them across the border to Syria - that makes sense. We'll let the the US and their chums overrun us and throw us out of power, so long as they don't find the WMDs.
I don't think so. If he had them, he'd have used them. Otherwise, what's the point?
And as to the individuals of integrity in the US forces, we saw a fine example of that on the news this morning. There are obviously good people in any armed forces, but there a lot of evil people as well, regardless of who's uniform they're wearing.
Originally posted by RedmikeA definate case of the soldiers (guardsmen) having absolute power over the prisoners.
If we assume that Saddam had WMDs, we have to ask what their purpose was.
Imagine you're Saddam. Your great enemy, the US, is invading. You've got Weapons of Mass Destruction. I know - lets ship them across the border to Syria - that makes sense. We'll let the the US and their chums overrun us and throw us out of power, so long as they don't find the WM ...[text shortened]... d forces, but there a lot of evil people as well, regardless of who's uniform they're wearing.
if the WMD were moved to another place and the spying missions did not see I ask the question how much did it cost not to see. Sadman was and is a chancer but our forces are ruled by thinking thro (or should be). Sadman got it wrong and so did Bush/Blair. The events since have proven. The trouble is now events can not be removed and damage has been done, the terror will increase sadly, so wil the responce.
If Saddam had WMD'S America and its "allies" would never had invaded! It's because he did'nt have WMD'S or at least any that were a real threat to the West that we were able to invade. It will be interesting to see if the American troops "suspended for mistreating Iraqi prisoners will face any kind of trial or if it will be dealt with in secret by the American Army?