Originally posted by StarValleyWyLay it on us, SVW.
Why?
That "conditioning" thing? Think about it. Why do you feel it is a difficult thing?
It ain't. It would be easy. Except for our miserable education system that wants democracy to fail.
And not just the educational system. Half the political systems in so called "democratic nations" want dictators to continue on. Do you have any clue why? I do.
Originally posted by DelmerLay what on us?
Lay it on us, SVW.
It would be easy to destroy all dictatorships in the next year if the united will of earth wanted it and truly believed in "democracy".
But hardly anyone believes in democracy. They give lip service to it and then say how it was wrong to remove Saddam and/or to oppose Stalin and how the current regime in China are just wonderful fellows.
Sad, sorry lip service that allows slavery to abound.
So... lay what on you Del?
Do you believe in "democracy" in any fashion other than "social fashion"?
What is so hard about eliminating dictators? I'll tell you what. They have more than 60% of the planet willing to hide and protect them. Including 47% of the US population and 80% of Europe.
This thread is dedicated to all the men and women of the coalition forces and to all the heroic Iraqi's taking up the sword against terror; to all who are fighting and dying to liberate millions from the oppression of dictatorship.
Long may we all live. Extreme radicals willing to fight and die for "democracy". But should we die, then long will we hold each other dear as brothers who fought for freedom, and for right of self over religion and government and dictator.
Originally posted by StarValleyWyI don't support anything about Saddam or any other politician. He should have been killed years ago by the people he enslaved. It is always survival of the fittest, SVW. Are you now going to tell me that you are not concerned with self? Self is all there is. We live alone and we die alone.
So, you support the right of Saddam to hold domain over his slaves?
The survival of the fittest? Just like you?
<edit> ps... this is a trap for all who would be "libertarian". It is a simple trap. A libertarian is so concerned with self that he/she fails to consider evil. Ever.
They are so tied up in the notion of self that they fail to recognize evil.
Drugs and dictators so to speak. To mix a metaphore.
Originally posted by DelmerI couldn't disagree more to the notion of self if I tried.
I don't support anything about Saddam or any other politician. He should have been killed years ago by the people he enslaved. It is always survival of the fittest, SVW. Are you now going to tell me that you are not concerned with self? Self is all there is. We live alone and we die alone.
My attempt over the years has been to ridicule our basic nature, ie, that of "chimpness" ... or to put it bluntly... "self".
Chimpness and Self are identical human capacities and abilities.
To move beyond chimpness to being a "radical democratist" as I and several hundred thousand US troops have done... is the ideal form of humanity. Giving freedon at the risk of life. That is radical. And we are all "extremists". And proud of it.
I have waited for the right time for the punch line. This seems right.
Have you noticed the recent "fear" of the pseudo libs? They think that Guantanamo is the same as Auswitz.
Why this fear? It is just my opinion, but I think they see that some of us on the right are capable of being just as radical as the Islamo-facists and it frightens the bejesus out of them. They have no like passion. So we scare them. So they pull for the Islamofacists to win.
Sad but true. It's that thing in the elections that they just can't get. That thing about good and evil.
The good news for the US haters... is that our notions of "benevolence" is based in the tradition of the horse. Chivalry.
The bad news for the US haters... is that we do believe in justice and right of good over evil.
Originally posted by StarValleyWyOh, I would fight with the troops but under no illusion that slaves unwilling to liberate themselves would likely remain liberated.
I couldn't disagree more to the notion of self if I tried.
My attempt over the years has been to ridicule our basic nature, ie, that of "chimpness" ... or to put it bluntly... "self".
Chimpness and Self are identical human capacities and abilities.
To move beyond chimpness to being a "radical democratist" as I and several hundred thousan ...[text shortened]... ng freedon at the risk of life. That is radical. And we are all "extremists". And proud of it.
There is an alternative theory.
What if they really don't believe that Guantanamo is the same as the nazi "death camps" as they have said the past week?
Then what does that infer? That they are willing to sacrifice the current war to political gain. simple. Not?
Which is worse? Dems eqating the Holocost where millions died to Guantanamo where NOBODY has died? Or dems not really believing that bs? it's your choice. Which is better? Or worse?
Originally posted by DelmerOk.
Oh, I would fight with the troops but under no illusion that slaves unwilling to liberate themselves would likely remain liberated.
Cynical at best.
I have a better feeling about human nature and I am a big believer in this thing called "Civilization". It has it's day. When it is time, all of humanity leaps forward. As I see it. Slavery was the fad. Then it was anathema. Civilization might be what I read instead of tea leaves.
I think that we are on the edge of a great awakening. I will fight for it.
I might lose, but... extremists like me just don't care. We will fight on. As best we can.
Originally posted by StarValleyWyWell, SVW, I hope you're right and I am wrong. Have a good evening. Scratch the iguana for me.
Ok.
Cynical at best.
I have a better feeling about human nature and I am a big believer in this thing called "Civilization". It has it's day. When it is time, all of humanity leaps forward. As I see it. Slavery was the fad. Then it was anathema. Civilization might be what I read instead of tea leaves.
I think that we are on the edge of a gre ...[text shortened]... .
I might lose, but... extremists like me just don't care. We will fight on. As best we can.
Kennedy said it best as he went to war against the commie dictators of North Vietnam.
I wrote a piece for the school paper in 1963...
"There comes a time when we must defend freedom and democracy or answer to our ancestoral dead who fought so bravely for freedom. Are we to answer the need of democracy or hide in the dark?"
The dems and pseudo hippy freakin' libs allowed evil to win that one. But I'm an extremist radical. I am fightin' on for the ideal of "democracy". The pseudo cowards now have an enemy that Fox news and Radio and the internet can proudly provide. They (pseudo cowards) were unapposed as we lost to evil in Vietnam.
Originally posted by DelmerNot me. I'm thinkin' that the evil bastard will die... with the kids gone to Idaho for the summer and their mom working two shifts per day...
Scratch the iguana for me.
don't look to me to feed it. I notice that its lettuce and veggies are untouched for a week. Snark.
Hoping for a foul smell from that direction...
Mike
Originally posted by StarValleyWyI suppose it's because i feel that at their core, more people than not, would sell democracy down a river for secure employment, food on the table for their families and a predictable tomorrow, if it came to that. Many people clamouring for democracy are just clamouring for a better deal, if democracy doesn't deliver they'll deliver it to an early death.
Why?
That "conditioning" thing? Think about it. Why do you feel it is a difficult thing?
It ain't. It would be easy. Except for our miserable education system that wants democracy to fail.
And not just the educational system. Half the political systems in so called "democratic nations" want dictators to continue on. Do you have any clue why? I do.
The Nepalise just allowed it to die, the Germans did it to the Weimar republic (always felt the depression fanned the myth of the 'November traitors'😉, in Argentina it looks unhealthy (a few relos there), but it'll probably survive (although some desire it, the military is just to weak to take the reins again).
At the end of the day though i don't fault your cause, i just feel people have to desire democracy. If it's given to them, they underestimate it's worth, they'll also mistrust it and feel it's not theirs. Democracy will be quickly forgotten as hard times come along, and the next charismatic figure pops along promising them a thicker slice of the pie, while berating those holding the reins of government. It's not the case in all scenarios, but some have proven themselves unable to handle democracy.