Is Obamacare still unconst?

Originally posted by no1marauder
Mike the Moron, what "Natural Law" do you claim is violated by a tax/penalty?

I have a Liberty Interest in having autonomy in my personal decisions regarding my healthcare. Doctors must have my informed consent before they operate on me, and I shouldn't be coerced into buying health insurance when I might not even use it. Moreover, there is no general duty to rescue. Obamacare violates that principal by seeking to establish universal coverage.

Originally posted by MoneyManMike
Federal Rule of Civ Pro 15 doesn't exist in No1's universe, apparently. In other news, the federal district court granted Sissel's motion to amend his complaint a long time ago. Right now the court is deciding the merits of the DOJ's 12(b)(6) motion to dismiss for failure to state a claim.

Link?

I'm aware of the Rule but fail to see why the motion should have been granted here. Over two years to amend a Complaint doesn't seem timely to me.

Originally posted by MoneyManMike
I have a Liberty Interest in having autonomy in my personal decisions regarding my healthcare. Doctors must have my informed consent before they operate on me, and I shouldn't be coerced into buying health insurance when I might not even use it. Moreover, there is no general duty to rescue. Obamacare violates that principal by seeking to establish universal coverage.

LMAO! Do you really want a response to those specious claims?

Originally posted by no1marauder
Link?

I'm aware of the Rule but fail to see why the motion should have been granted here. Over two years to amend a Complaint doesn't seem timely to me.

YouTube

Unless Sandefur is a pathetic, serial liar, we'll will have to take his word that the district court granted his motion to amend the complaint. lol

EDIT: You will have to break your policy of not watching youtube in order to get the info. Thanks in advance.

Originally posted by no1marauder
LMAO! Do you really want a response to those specious claims?

Hmm, do I want a response from you? Being as 70% of your "response" will include one of these: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_fallacies , I am okay with passing on a response from you.

Originally posted by MoneyManMike
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AP8jIxRQDSQ

Unless Sandefur is a pathetic, serial liar, we'll will have to take his word that the district court granted his motion to amend the complaint. lol

EDIT: You will have to break your policy of not watching youtube in order to get the info. Thanks in advance.

I won't. Find a decision from the court.

Sissel on 12/16/10 wrote this in his pleadings:

The penalty imposed for noncompliance with the Individual Mandate is not a tax, because it is not designed to raise revenue to support the government.

PLAINTIFF’S OPPOSITION TO DEFENDANTS’ MOTION TO DISMISS p. 29

http://aca-litigation.wikispaces.com/file/view/Memo+in+opposition+to+motion+to+dismiss.pdf


I'd say that's a waiver of any Origination Clause claims.

Originally posted by no1marauder
I won't. Find a decision from the court.

Sissel on 12/16/10 wrote this in his pleadings:

The penalty imposed for noncompliance with the Individual Mandate is not a tax, because it is not designed to raise revenue to support the government.

PLAINTIFF’S OPPOSITION TO DEFENDANTS’ MOTION TO DISMISS p. 29

http://aca-li ...[text shortened]... n+to+dismiss.pdf


I'd say that's a waiver of any Origination Clause claims.

It is the order from 10/11/2012. If you really want to see it, you can pay from your own pocketbook.

Originally posted by KazetNagorra
It's telling that you consider a difference in opinion on the "don't ask, don't tell"-policy a "huge difference".

This is what I call "huge differences":
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Reformed_Political_Party
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Socialist_Party_(Netherlands)

To gays in the military it is. Like I said, just ask them. I was the same as you. I did not realize how life-changing in a incredible positive way the repeal of Don't Ask Don't Tell would be for gays in the military.

Senator McCain was by far the most vocal critic of the repeal. He strenuously lead the opposition to the bitter end. Just think if he had been elected President in 2008.

No difference for gays in the military?

Originally posted by MoneyManMike
By saying that Obamacare "will become part of our culture," you seem to be conceding that it isn't part of our culture right now. That is an interesting revelation. You seem to be conceding that Obamacare is unprecedented. That is to say, Obamacare isn't "rooted in our Nation's history and traditions." You know what Moon, I agree with you. O ...[text shortened]... friends better watch out for potential Substantive Due Process challenges in the future.

What a weird interpretation you have. Shows your extreme bias and fringe tunnel vision, and that you know nothing about our traditions. By the way, nothing becomes immediately part of our culture.

Take social security as an example. Enacted over extreme opposition. Then, for a decade subjected to continued unsuccessful pushes to repeal legislatively, or with wild stupid thoughts to have judicially overturned via unsound legal arguments. Yet, social security remained. It was here to stay, and after generations became part of our culture.

Obamacare will be the same. Will be with us for generations and become part of our culture.