10 Jan 20
I'm tired of this discussion as to whether Trump was justified in what he did to Soleimani. So if you don't think Soleimani was a terrorist who had American blood on his hands, then Trump is the terrorist. But if not, then Trump had every right to do what he did.
So which is it? Make your stand now!
And IF democrats are so insistent that Trump is a terrorist, they should include it in their article of impeachment, but we all know they won't. Then again, they can't even officially file for impeachment as it is because they are scared, terrified, paralyzed of fear regarding any scrutiny to their allegations about anything.
Cowards!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
@whodey saidYou moron.
I'm tired of this discussion as to whether Trump was justified in what he did to Soleimani. So if you don't think Soleimani was a terrorist who had American blood on his hands, then Trump is the terrorist. But if not, then Trump had every right to do what he did.
So which is it? Make your stand now!
And IF democrats are so insistent that Trump is a terrorist, they sho ...[text shortened]... ralyzed of fear regarding any scrutiny to their allegations about anything.
Cowards!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
As I’ve said multiple times, if Soleimani was a terrorist, you still can’t assassinate him on foreign soil.
Terrorist = criminal = court to prove guilt.
Just calling someone a terrorist and then murdering them is a very bad precedent to set. I can call you a terrorist and Molotov cocktail your arse on your beach holiday on the Cote d’Azure?
I’m tired of you Americans trying to simplify complicated international matters to a yes/no scenario just to justify your own stupidity.
Even if trump is your hero; even if you are a republican, you have to continually scrutinize their behaviour and their choices.
It’s not healthy to defend everything they do.
It’s not healthy to think of flag, government and country being the same entity.
Grow up.
Join the rest of the world.
10 Jan 20
@whodey saidStop sniveling Whodey, no one called Trump a terrorist. He's nothing more than a big mouthed, incompetent, white collar criminal, with an oversized ego. Terrorist? No, I don't think so, one has to be willing to risk their life to be a terrorist, and Trump is too much of a coward for that. 😏
I'm tired of this discussion as to whether Trump was justified in what he did to Soleimani. So if you don't think Soleimani was a terrorist who had American blood on his hands, then Trump is the terrorist. But if not, then Trump had every right to do what he did.
So which is it? Make your stand now!
And IF democrats are so insistent that Trump is a terrorist, they sho ...[text shortened]... ralyzed of fear regarding any scrutiny to their allegations about anything.
Cowards!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
@whodey saidTrump is the terrorist. A high level Iranian official called Trump a terrorist in a suit. That is accurate. There was no imminent threat from Soleimani and that has come out and exposed as complete BS. The allegation that Soleimani was a terrorist is without evidence as well.
I'm tired of this discussion as to whether Trump was justified in what he did to Soleimani. So if you don't think Soleimani was a terrorist who had American blood on his hands, then Trump is the terrorist. But if not, then Trump had every right to do what he did.
So which is it? Make your stand now!
And IF democrats are so insistent that Trump is a terrorist, they sho ...[text shortened]... ralyzed of fear regarding any scrutiny to their allegations about anything.
Cowards!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Trump made up a BS story so he could pretend it was not an illegal act violating international law. To hide the lie they claim it is classified and will put lives at risk to reveal it. It is the same BS as WMDs in Iraq. They claim to have evidence, never show it and have a convenient excuse to never show you.
Blind faith known liars. That is what you have and nothing else. They could redact it like the Mueller report, but they would rather not release anything. That means they lied their asses off!
10 Jan 20
@shavixmir saidSo you take issue with killing people on foreign soil without due process?
You moron.
As I’ve said multiple times, if Soleimani was a terrorist, you still can’t assassinate him on foreign soil.
Terrorist = criminal = court to prove guilt.
Just calling someone a terrorist and then murdering them is a very bad precedent to set. I can call you a terrorist and Molotov cocktail your arse on your beach holiday on the Cote d’Azure?
I’m tired ...[text shortened]... hink of flag, government and country being the same entity.
Grow up.
Join the rest of the world.
Well then, you should have taken issue with Obama doing it many more times than Trump has, yet not one post from you about it and not one peep from the media about it. That shows the world just how partisan the media and the rest of the Left wing world governments are. It's not about justice, it's all about power!
10 Jan 20
@metal-brain saidI have read plenty of evidence about Soleimami being a terrorist. The issue is, what news sources do you believe? Even a number of Democrat candidates admit as much.
Trump is the terrorist. A high level Iranian official called Trump a terrorist in a suit. That is accurate. There was no imminent threat from Soleimani and that has come out and exposed as complete BS. The allegation that Soleimani was a terrorist is without evidence as well.
Trump made up a BS story so he could pretend it was not an illegal act violating internationa ...[text shortened]... he Mueller report, but they would rather not release anything. That means they lied their asses off!
But you are free to reject most of the media who sides with Trump on this issue. God knows I've rejected what most of the media has said on other issues, but then the question begs, if you reject the media and US intelligence regarding information on Soleimami, how then would you learn anything about him?
It is a conundrum.
10 Jan 20
@whodey saidActually:
So you take issue with killing people on foreign soil without due process?
Well then, you should have taken issue with Obama doing it many more times than Trump has, yet not one post from you about it and not one peep from the media about it. That shows the world just how partisan the media and the rest of the Left wing world governments are. It's not about justice, it's all about power!
"Critically, Trump revoked an Obama executive order mandating the CIA to report on civilian casualties outside of war zones. According to a Nations Security council spokesman, the action removes “superfluous reporting requirements that do not improve government transparency, but rather distract our intelligence professionals from their primary mission.” While it’s true that the National Defense Authorization Act requires the White House to submit an annual report on civilian casualties, this information is limited to the common war zone areas, such as Iraq and Afghanistan. Furthermore, the NDAA does not apply to the CIA as did the Obama-era executive order. Consequently, a CIA attack in Africa would not make the report given to Congress.
The removal of CIA reporting requirements comes at a time when the White House is increasing its reliance on unmanned aerial vehicles. The Bureau of Investigative Journalism estimated that there have been 2,243 drone strikes in the first two years of Trump’s tenure. By comparison, there were only 1,878 in Obama’s entire eight-year administration. With the recent killing of innocent Afghan farmers and the aggressive CIA rollout in Africa, perhaps there should be more reporting instead of less."
https://www.insideover.com/war/trump-expands-cia-drone-strikes-while-reducing-accountability.html
So on a yearly average, Trump is "killing people on foreign soil" by drone strikes at a rate about 5 times of what Obama did. And doing so with less protections for civilians:
"Under Trump, the need for higher-level government involvement in personality strikes has been eliminated, with more responsibility over strikes given to the Pentagon and the CIA. Furthermore, the requirement that those targeted in strikes be considered an "identified high-value terrorist" or a terrorist that poses a "continuing, imminent threat" has also been removed, meaning that it is now easier than ever to target an individual or group of individual, regardless of whether or not they constitute an imminent threat to US national security."
https://www.rte.ie/brainstorm/2019/0325/1038443-how-us-drone-strikes-still-bring-death-and-destruction-from-above/
@no1marauder saidHas Trump killed any US citizens abroad abroad like Obama?
Actually:
"Critically, Trump revoked an Obama executive order mandating the CIA to report on civilian casualties outside of war zones. According to a Nations Security council spokesman, the action removes “superfluous reporting requirements that do not improve government transparency, but rather distract our intelligence professionals from their primary mission.” While ...[text shortened]... e.ie/brainstorm/2019/0325/1038443-how-us-drone-strikes-still-bring-death-and-destruction-from-above/
I would suspect that this will only continue to increase in popularity among future Presidents with us knowing less and less about them.
10 Jan 20
@whodey saidThe daughter of the American citizen killed by Obama:
Has Trump killed any US citizens abroad abroad like Obama?
I would suspect that this will only continue to increase in popularity among future Presidents with us knowing less and less about them.
Between 10[8] and 30 civilians,[9] including the eight-year-old American daughter of the deceased alleged al-Qaeda preacher Anwar al-Awlaki, were also killed in the raid along with up to 14 enemy combatants.[14]
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Raid_on_Yakla
10 Jan 20
In operation "fast and furious", Barak Obama, our "scandal free" president killed many Mexican people and American border agents by getting powerful guns to the terrorist drug cartels.
Can we say "Pay for Play"??
Now you know how the "scandal free" Barak and Michelle Obama recently purchased a $million manse in the haughty Martha's Vineyard, Massachusetts
What a country!
@earl-of-trumps saidWhat is the evidence that Obama knew anything about such an operation which was done by a local ATF office?
In operation "fast and furious", Barak Obama, our "scandal free" president killed many Mexican people and American border agents by getting powerful guns to the terrorist drug cartels.
Can we say "Pay for Play"??
Now you know how the "scandal free" Barak and Michelle Obama recently purchased a $million manse in the haughty Martha's Vineyard, Massachusetts
What a country!
EDIT: This is grossly off-topic of course; if right wingers want to argue that the ATF should have been more aggressive in arresting those making apparent "straw purchases" of firearms that should be the topic of another thread.
10 Jan 20
@whodey saidI do and I did.
So you take issue with killing people on foreign soil without due process?
Well then, you should have taken issue with Obama doing it many more times than Trump has, yet not one post from you about it and not one peep from the media about it. That shows the world just how partisan the media and the rest of the Left wing world governments are. It's not about justice, it's all about power!
Obama was a bastard.
10 Jan 20
@no1marauder saidDid Obama get to the bottom of it?? any arrests and convictions??
What is the evidence that Obama knew anything about such an operation which was done by a local ATF office?
EDIT: This is grossly off-topic of course; if right wingers want to argue that the ATF should have been more aggressive in arresting those making apparent "straw purchases" of firearms that should be the topic of another thread.
10 Jan 20
@earl-of-trumps saidDo you know what "goalpost moving" means?
Did Obama get to the bottom of it?? any arrests and convictions??