17 Nov 20
@metal-brain saidGolly i just dont know. Why font we get out ahead of it on this one. We will all be invited on MSNBC or FOX with our studied insights. Whew.
17 Nov 20
@averagejoe1 saidI agree. Why font we?
Golly i just dont know. Why font we get out ahead of it on this one. We will all be invited on MSNBC or FOX with our studied insights. Whew.
17 Nov 20
I'm curious whether the Trump campaign will pony up the necessary funds to get a recount in Wisconsin:
"President Donald Trump's campaign would have to pay nearly $8 million to start a recount in Wisconsin, a state he narrowly lost two weeks ago.
Trump will have to decide by Wednesday whether to carry through with the recount he has promised to pursue.
If his campaign pays the $7.9 million cost up front, the recount will begin as soon as Thursday and be complete by Dec. 1, according to the state Elections Commission.
Trump has been furiously fundraising for the Wisconsin recount and legal challenges in other states to try to overturn Democrat Joe Biden's victory. If he doesn't go ahead with the Wisconsin recount, he can use the money he's raised for other purposes, such as retiring his campaign debt."
https://www.jsonline.com/story/news/politics/2020/11/16/trump-campaign-would-pay-nearly-8-million-wisconsin-recount/6316022002/
Trump lost Wisconsin by more than 20,000 votes; based on prior experience the chance that a recount would make any difference is nil. So will he decide to keep the "I really won narrative" going by paying for a recount or will he use the money raised "for other purposes"?
17 Nov 20
@no1marauder saidNow, obviously my humor-bone is dying for trump to be president and this drama to unfold slowly for the next 4 years...
I'm curious whether the Trump campaign will pony up the necessary funds to get a recount in Wisconsin:
"President Donald Trump's campaign would have to pay nearly $8 million to start a recount in Wisconsin, a state he narrowly lost two weeks ago.
Trump will have to decide by Wednesday whether to carry through with the recount he has promised to pursue.
If his cam ...[text shortened]... y won narrative" going by paying for a recount or will he use the money raised "for other purposes"?
Equally obviously, my rationality-bone says the world is a better place without right-wing scum running it. And a much better place without trump and his cronies...
But this being said... I read this on the BBC too: trump has to pay 8m dollars for a recount in Wisconsin???
Surely there are two possibilities:
- the margin of difference is so low there has to be a recount (and the tax payer pays).
- the margin of difference is not enough for a recount, so there isn’t a bloody recount.
How the hell can a system exist that if you’re rich enough you can demand a recount whenever you want?
This automatically means that a poorer candidate has less chance of winning than a richer candidate. Ergo, the system favours the rich over the poor... in the bloody democratic process!!!
That is so wrong on so many levels, I’m actually more shocked by this than by trump’s behaviour (which was totally predictable... well, he’s been screaming so much about it for 6 months, you’d have to be living in a dung heap in a hole in a cave to have missed it).
@metal-brain saidPardon me for asking, but - If Donald J Trump is the successful multi billionaire businessman he claims to be, then why does he need contributions to a legal fund? I don't see Michael Bloomberg, Bill Gates, or Warren Buffett shaking their tin cups, soliciting dollars to pay their lawyers. A few million bucks to finance a state recount or pay his own legal bills would be petty cash for most rich people.
17 Nov 20
@shavixmir saidWisconsin law is as follows:
Now, obviously my humor-bone is dying for trump to be president and this drama to unfold slowly for the next 4 years...
Equally obviously, my rationality-bone says the world is a better place without right-wing scum running it. And a much better place without trump and his cronies...
But this being said... I read this on the BBC too: trump has to pay 8m dollars for a ...[text shortened]... bout it for 6 months, you’d have to be living in a dung heap in a hole in a cave to have missed it).
"Who pays for a requested recount?
Varies. The state pays for recounts where the margin is less than 10 votes if 4,000 or fewer votes are cast. For elections where more than 4,000 votes are cast, the margin is less than or equal to 0.25% of the total vote. If the margin is greater than those covered by the state, the requester pays.
Is a refund available for requested recount costs?
Yes. Costs paid by the requester are refunded if the recount changes the election outcome. In the event that a recount does not change the election outcome, a requester might receive a refund if the amount paid was greater than the actual cost of the recount."
https://ballotpedia.org/Recount_laws_in_Wisconsin
It seems eminently reasonable to me that the taxpayers not be saddled with the cost of a recount if the result is not sufficiently close. Trump lost Wisconsin by a bit more than .6% so he has to pay for the recount if he requests it.
17 Nov 20
@mchill said"If God did not want them sheared, He would not have made them sheep."
Pardon me for asking, but - If Donald J Trump is the successful multi billionaire businessman he claims to be, then why does he need contributions to a legal fund? I don't see Michael Bloomberg, Bill Gates, or Warren Buffett shaking their tin cups, soliciting dollars to pay their lawyers. A few million bucks to finance a state recount or pay his own legal bills would be petty cash for most rich people.
Calvera
17 Nov 20
@no1marauder saidMy point is: there shouldn’t be a recount if it’s above a certain margin.
Wisconsin law is as follows:
"Who pays for a requested recount?
Varies. The state pays for recounts where the margin is less than 10 votes if 4,000 or fewer votes are cast. For elections where more than 4,000 votes are cast, the margin is less than or equal to 0.25% of the total vote. If the margin is greater than those covered by the state, the requester pays.
Is a ...[text shortened]... ose. Trump lost Wisconsin by a bit more than .6% so he has to pay for the recount if he requests it.
And if it is a possibility it shouldn’t be hung up on one’s finances.
18 Nov 20
@mchill saidI wonder the same thing. That is why I suspect a scam.
Pardon me for asking, but - If Donald J Trump is the successful multi billionaire businessman he claims to be, then why does he need contributions to a legal fund? I don't see Michael Bloomberg, Bill Gates, or Warren Buffett shaking their tin cups, soliciting dollars to pay their lawyers. A few million bucks to finance a state recount or pay his own legal bills would be petty cash for most rich people.