19 Dec 21
Is Joseph Mifsud a Russian agent, CIA agent or not an agent at all?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Joseph_Mifsud
Did former Australian diplomat Alexander Downer entrap George Papadopoulos? For a guy that started the whole investigation we don't hear much about Alexander Downer. Why was he so interested in unconfirmed rumors that he felt the need to report them?
Mueller's report specifically noted that Papadopoulos was investigated as a potential foreign agent of Israel. It really had nothing to do with Russia, so why was Russia used to start an investigation into Papadopoulos' ties to Israel?
19 Dec 21
@vivify said"Pap bragged to an Australian diplomat about his contacts with what he thought was a Russian agent"
Pap bragged to an Australian diplomat about his contacts with what he thought was a Russian agent with dirt on Hillary. The Australian government later contacted the FBI about the conversation which then prompted the investigation.
No conspiracy needed.
What is your source of information?
19 Dec 21
@metal-brain saidLMAO!
Is Joseph Mifsud a Russian agent, CIA agent or not an agent at all?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Joseph_Mifsud
Did former Australian diplomat Alexander Downer entrap George Papadopoulos? For a guy that started the whole investigation we don't hear much about Alexander Downer. Why was he so interested in unconfirmed rumors that he felt the need to report them?
Mu ...[text shortened]... do with Russia, so why was Russia used to start an investigation into Papadopoulos' ties to Israel?
Pappadopoulos being told months before the release of the stolen emails that Russia had thousands of emails with "dirt" on HRC blows apart your conspiracy theories about some "insider" job at the DNC that Russia had nothing to do with.
Downer reported the information he received to his government like any good diplomat would. And of course the Australian government felt compelled to give information that implicated the Russian government in interfering with the US Presidential election to the US government.
@metal-brain saidWhy don't you read the Mueller Report?
"Pap bragged to an Australian diplomat about his contacts with what he thought was a Russian agent"
What is your source of information?
"On May 6, 2016, 10 days after that meeting with Mifsud,
Papadopoulos suggested to a representative of a foreign government that the Trump Campaign had received indications from the Russian government that it could assist the Campaign through the anonymous release of information that would be damaging to Hillary Clinton.46"
p. 89 Mueller Report
https://www.justice.gov/archives/sco/file/1373816/download
@metal-brain saidhttps://www.vox.com/2017/12/30/16833954/george-papadopoulos-trump-times
"Pap bragged to an Australian diplomat about his contacts with what he thought was a Russian agent"
What is your source of information?
A former Trump aide’s drunk bragging to an Australian diplomat may have kicked off the entire Russia investigation
19 Dec 21
@no1marauder saidRussia had thousands of emails with "dirt" on HRC?
LMAO!
Pappadopoulos being told months before the release of the stolen emails that Russia had thousands of emails with "dirt" on HRC blows apart your conspiracy theories about some "insider" job at the DNC that Russia had nothing to do with.
Downer reported the information he received to his government like any good diplomat would. And of course the Australian gover ...[text shortened]... icated the Russian government in interfering with the US Presidential election to the US government.
What dirt?
19 Dec 21
@metal-brain saidHave you read the emails that were released by Wikileaks? You know, the ones they received from the Russian military?
Russia had thousands of emails with "dirt" on HRC?
What dirt?
19 Dec 21
@vivify saidThat article does not state with certainty that Joseph Mifsud was the source, but even if he was why didn't the FBI investigate Joseph Mifsud instead of Papadopoulos. All Papadopoulos did was repeat a rumor. He didn't start the rumor.
https://www.vox.com/2017/12/30/16833954/george-papadopoulos-trump-times
A former Trump aide’s drunk bragging to an Australian diplomat may have kicked off the entire Russia investigation
19 Dec 21
@metal-brain saidPapadopoulos was working for the Trump campaign. After the FBI became aware of this information, "The FBI opened its investigation of potential coordination between Russia and the Trump Campaign a few days later based on the information."
That article does not state with certainty that Joseph Mifsud was the source, but even if he was why didn't the FBI investigate Joseph Mifsud instead of Papadopoulos. All Papadopoulos did was repeat a rumor. He didn't start the rumor.
p. 89, Footnote 465 Mueller Report
19 Dec 21
@no1marauder saidI am not asking wikileaks or anybody else, I am asking you.
Have you read the emails that were released by Wikileaks? You know, the ones they received from the Russian military?
What dirt?
And stop falsely claiming there is evidence Russia hacked the DNC. I proved that falsehood to you countless times and you are relying on Crowdstrike, which was co owned by a Russian who hated Putin.
https://www.realclearpolitics.com/2020/05/13/crowdstrike_president_under_oath_no_proof_of_russia_dnc_hack_510974.html#!
"There are times when we can see data exfiltrated, and we can say conclusively. But in this case it appears it was set up to be exfiltrated, but we just don’t have the evidence that says it actually left."
Stop lying!
@metal-brain saidI was refuting your claim in the OP that "It really had nothing to do with Russia". Yes it did. Pap's drunken bragging about Russians is what prompted the investigation.
That article does not state with certainty that Joseph Mifsud was the source, but even if he was why didn't the FBI investigate Joseph Mifsud instead of Papadopoulos. All Papadopoulos did was repeat a rumor. He didn't start the rumor.
19 Dec 21
@no1marauder saidMueller's report specifically noted that Papadopoulos was investigated as a potential foreign agent of Israel. It really had nothing to do with Russia, so why was Russia used to start an investigation into Papadopoulos' ties to Israel?
Papadopoulos was working for the Trump campaign. After the FBI became aware of this information, "The FBI opened its investigation of potential coordination between Russia and the Trump Campaign a few days later based on the information."
p. 89, Footnote 465 Mueller Report
The information was a false rumor. No evidence.
@vivify saidYou mean a false rumor.
I was refuting your claim in the OP that "It really had nothing to do with Russia". Yes it did. Pap's drunken bragging about Russia is what prompted the investigation.
That is not evidence.
Once again, there is nothing wrong with talking to Russians. The DNC does it. I have still not seen any proof Misfud was a Russian agent. Just mere allegations.
19 Dec 21
@metal-brain saidI'm not wasting time with that stupid claim that has been refuted on this board dozens of times. The evidence that the Russians hacked the DNC and stole the emails is overwhelming.
I am not asking wikileaks or anybody else, I am asking you.
What dirt?
And stop falsely claiming there is evidence Russia hacked the DNC. I proved that falsehood to you countless times and you are relying on Crowdstrike, which was co owned by a Russian who hated Putin.
https://www.realclearpolitics.com/2020/05/13/crowdstrike_president_under_oath_no_proof_of_russia_ ...[text shortened]... p to be exfiltrated, but we just don’t have the evidence that says it actually left."
Stop lying!
Papadopoulos' statements under questioning by the FBI show that the Russians had possession of stolen DNC emails months before they were released by Wikileaks. You haven't even attempted to address this fact, which blows apart your claims that Russia had nothing to do with the hack.