@Of-Ants-and-Imps saidthose are judeo christian values, huh?
Sincerity
Truth
Understanding within reason
Willingness to accept differences.
Those are preferred to faux tolerance.
the christians and jews invented them? Nobody else figured truth is preferable to lying?
No one else today is practicing truth and sincerity and "understanding within reason" (what does that even mean)
@Cliff-Mashburn saidNo those are Deistic values not Jewish or Christian values.
They are the values that have given you the freedom to post whatever you want and decry how awful the country you live in is .
These are Christian values:
https://www.au.org/the-latest/church-and-state/articles/[WORD TOO LONG]/
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It's the admonition, why be high-minded? Indeed a large subset promulgates the belief that man came from a lower order of animals. It's their right to believe and vote their conscience. I argue the Judeo-Christian conscience imbues with dignity, despite conforming itself to more capitalist society. The government promises many charity. Those who view democracy built on lofty ideals of humanism do as those who view it built on negative reality and a distrust in people do. The difference seems with how "equal liberty" gets fairly imposed or not. Religion takes it a step up saying only God has complete trust, knowing who merits or not. Yet, things will find their way down the chain of command. A politician might learn from the power-modernism by studying Michel Foucault and trying to avoid mistakes. There are truth lessons from the ancient Persian empire as well, and Queen Esther. Do secular organizations like the Freedom From Religion Foundation (ffrf.org) hold unique philosophical values? I know the Raelian cult (rael.org) propose aliens intervened to colonize humans on earth thousands of years ago. They're free to try and make it represent a schoolroom theory.
@Cliff-Mashburn saidLook who's talking.
They are the values that have given you the freedom to post whatever you want and decry how awful the country you live in is .
Here's a hint: it's not suddenly SO much better since Jan. 20.
It is measurably worse, for so many people. Those who, unsurprisingly, aren't like you.
@Arkturos saidDespite the intended trap potential in this post, I'll answer. No "updating" necessary.
Which values are those, exactly?
I think maybe we could all use an updated clarification.
Clearly, Jewish values are based on Mosaic law.
Just as clearly, Christian values are derived from the teachings of Jesus.
Same as it ever was.
People who make a mockery of this do not belong to these groups, despite what they claim. People who attack these groups based on what their values are, are misinformed, at best.
@AThousandYoung saidI am Christian, and yet I am all about the separation of church and state.
No those are Deistic values not Jewish or Christian values.
These are Christian values:
https://www.au.org/the-latest/church-and-state/articles/[WORD TOO LONG]/
These are not actual Christian values or Jewish values, but they should be American values. Many on the right are trying to conflate government and Christianity, my position is that that particular expression of Christianity is not Christian as it was never upheld by Jesus.
Just like government and business have a major conflict of interest (or should), so does government and ANY "state-sponsored religion". The First Amendment exists for a reason. A very good reason. Christian Nationalists are a pox on this nation.
Thanks for this link. Looking through this "America United" website, I believe everything they believe.
I will be supporting this organization.
https://www.au.org/
@Suzianne saidLook who’s talking😂.
Despite the intended trap potential in this post, I'll answer. No "updating" necessary.
Clearly, Jewish values are based on Mosaic law.
Just as clearly, Christian values are derived from the teachings of Jesus.
Same as it ever was.
People who make a mockery of this do not belong to these groups, despite what they claim. People who attack these groups based on what their values are, are misinformed, at best.