Originally posted by jammerpoor children don't go hungry because inmates take their food, poor children go hungry because rich people don't give them food.
OK, will you take personal responsibilty for your justice system?
Will you be responsible for those selected to decide who is/is'nt "fully"rehabiltated?
For those that can never be fully rehabilitated, will you be responsibile for taking food from poor children in need in order to maintain such as these?
Originally posted by jammerOf course I don't, I'm not the justice system, we're not on the set of Judge Dredd.
OK, will you take personal responsibilty for your justice system?
Will you be responsible for those selected to decide who is/is'nt "fully"rehabiltated?
For those that can never be fully rehabilitated, will you be responsibile for taking food from poor children in need in order to maintain such as these?
Do you take full personal responsibility for the potential state sponsored murder of an innocent person?
Remember, under your system, this would make you punishable by death, for something you didn't personally do.
And your "will someone please think of the children" point is ridiculous.
It's like me suggesting that you should take personal responsibility for a child who has lost their mother or father because the law killed the wrong person. Which of course I do not suggest, it is something the system should take responsibility for. All members of that system.
I get it.
You're against the DP and not responsibly for anything,
It's the system and you have nothing to do with that.
If a convicted murderer in pardoned and murders again it's because I didn't rehabilitate him. I guess i'm part of the system, but you're not .. right? You say "feed him, cloth him, FIX him" .. it's out of your hands. It's up to society to fix him whether that's possible or not. As you're not a member of society, you're clear of any responsibilty.
Above all, compassion and understanding, the sanctity of a human life.
As long as it's a poor unfortunate child murderer. Those still in the womb can be executed at will though if they happen to be inconvenient.
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Originally posted by wittywonkaHow about merciful justice? 😛
"With which concept would you align yourself more: justice or mercy, and why?"
I would be interested in responses from anyone and everyone.
I realize the question is vague, but it is intended as a thought-provoker.
The question [b]is asking you to make a decision without circumstances.
The question is not asking for you to disregard ...[text shortened]... myself more with the concept of mercy, I am not implying that I do not find justice important.[/b]
I tell you what, if you are at a resteraunt and you pay for dinner and they do not give you the correct change or charge you to much for your dinner, what do you do? Would you not call the manager over and demand that you be treated fairly?
Conversly, if someone rapes and kills etc, what do you do? The answer is not as clear because the person in question has a greater difficulty in "making right" what has been done wrong to them. They simply cannot just say sorry and give you the correct change and make is all better. However, we can help prevent them from doing it again. I say that is the only thing that can be done really. The focus should not be vengence, that is only for God, rather, the focus should be prevention. The question then becomes how to prevent them. Do we lock them up or kill them? The severity of the crime, however, should correlate to the severity of the punishment. That is if there is justice.
Originally posted by jammer1: Yes, I'm against the death penalty.
I get it.
You're against the DP and not responsibly for anything,
It's the system and you have nothing to do with that.
If a convicted murderer in pardoned and murders again it's because I didn't rehabilitate him. I guess i'm part of the system, but you're not .. right? You say "feed him, cloth him, FIX him" .. it's out of your hands. It's up to society to ...[text shortened]... till in the womb can be executed at will though if they happen to be inconvenient.
2: No, I am responsible for something, but your phrasing was, would I take personal responsibility, which neither I nor you can or should do.
Of course as a member of society I am representatively responsible for the system I live in, which is why I am the type of person who tries to prevent that system from being perverted into state sponsored vengeance.
I do not see this criminal as poor or unfortunate, he has committed a crime, but our responsibility (that word you like) is to rise above vengeance as a society, not be a blood thirsty mob, and seek Justice, not Vengeance.
Justice is righting the wrong. Not through killing another, but through ensuring that they become a functioning member of society, aware and truly repentant of their wrongdoing, and certain of never doing it again.
That is our collective responsibility.
Originally posted by jammerYou didn't answer his question.
I get it.
You're against the DP and not responsibly for anything,
It's the system and you have nothing to do with that.
If a convicted murderer in pardoned and murders again it's because I didn't rehabilitate him. I guess i'm part of the system, but you're not .. right? You say "feed him, cloth him, FIX him" .. it's out of your hands. It's up to society to ...[text shortened]... till in the womb can be executed at will though if they happen to be inconvenient.
Do you take full responsibility for each innocent person executed via the death penalty?