Justified Armed Rebellion/Resistance/Insurgency

Originally posted by Bosse de Nage
It's just not that simple.

Well you're either someone who thinks it's just not that simple or you are someone who thinks it just is that simple. So now we've got you pegged.

Originally posted by FMF
Well you're either someone who thinks it's just [b]not that simple or you are someone who thinks it just is that simple. So now we've got you pegged.[/b]

Bound by the Just Knot.

Originally posted by FMF
Well you're either someone who thinks it's just [b]not that simple or you are someone who thinks it just is that simple.[/b]

And anyone who defends or assists someone who thinks it's just not that simple, is against those of us who think it just is that simple, it's as simple as that.

Originally posted by FMF
And anyone who defends or assists someone who thinks it's just [b]not that simple, is against those of us who think it just is that simple, it's as simple as that.[/b]

To them we say: Just get knotted.

Originally posted by Bosse de Nage
To them we say: Just get knotted.

GWOT: Global War On Topology

Originally posted by AThousandYoung
Do these groups have justification to armed rebellion against their oppressors?

Native Americans vs the governments of any or all of the American governments (USA, Canada, Mexico, El Salvador, Chile, etc)

Irish vs North Irish?

Palestinians vs Israel?

Kurds vs Turkey?

Blacks vs USA?

People of Mexican descent in southern US?

Quebec ...[text shortened]... ition in Iraq? How about foreign Arabs or Muslims?

"Moors" vs Spain?

Etc...add your own.

yes

Originally posted by Bosse de Nage
I don't know that violence -- state or anti-state -- is ever justified. Usually these things happen because the people involved can't or won't find a peaceful solution. It's a question of ability and will -- on both sides, especially the more powerful. But by the time a rebellion breaks out, it's usually too late to debate the ethics of killing for the sake of freedom.

Was D-Day "justified"? Or should the Allies have fore-sworn violence and attempted to convince Hitler that he really should leave all those countries the Nazis had occupied?

Originally posted by no1marauder
Was D-Day "justified"? Or should the Allies have fore-sworn violence and attempted to convince Hitler that he really should leave all those countries the Nazis had occupied?

How can I say what they should or shouldn't have done?

Originally posted by Bosse de Nage
It's just not that simple.

Although it becomes much simpler if you appeal to emotion rather than reason.

Why is it not that simple?

Please, show me an example of how one might appeal to reason in order to approach this question.

Originally posted by Bosse de Nage
How can I say what they should or shouldn't have done?

You seem to have opinions on Mugabe...right? Or do you abstain from giving an opinion on how to handle him too?

Originally posted by FMF
Well you're either someone who thinks it's just [b]not that simple or you are someone who thinks it just is that simple. So now we've got you pegged.[/b]

Well, you're certainly someone who thinks it's that simple...which makes you a hypocrite...

FMF: Already starting with the humorless 'you're either this or that' stuff?

and I'm someone willing to answer questions like this clearly.

FMF: Hypothetical scenario.

Say, on a day in 1850, all over the the USA, is states that permitted slavery, in a carefully coordinated plan, carried out at a certain hour, black slaves had killed their "owners" - in their 1,000s - as they slept and declared themselves and all their family members free, would it have been justified?

ATY: Yes.

RSMA1234: Slavery exists in this day and age also

In part of Africa and Arab nations, if they rose up and killed, then they would be brecking the law with murder

FMF: So is that a 'yes' or a 'no'?

http://www.playtheimmortalgame.com/board/showthread.php?threadid=108375

Originally posted by AThousandYoung
Well, you're certainly someone who thinks it's that simple...which makes you a hypocrite...

FMF: Already starting with the humorless 'you're either this or that' stuff?

and I'm someone willing to answer questions like this clearly.

FMF: Hypothetical scenario.

Say, on a day in 1850, all over the the USA, is states that permitted ...[text shortened]... 'no'?

http://www.playtheimmortalgame.com/board/showthread.php?threadid=108375

😀 LOL. So me asking someone: "So is that a 'yes' or a 'no'?", weeks ago on another thread, makes me a hypocrite somehow because trev33, earlier in this thread, said "it's not as simple as 'yes' and 'no'" and I cracked that "It always is with AThousandYoung"? Priceless!

I do love the little link at the end so 'people' could go and check!

Originally posted by AThousandYoung
You seem to have opinions on Mugabe...right? Or do you abstain from giving an opinion on how to handle him too?

I can identify his policies as being illegal according to the law of his own country, but it's not my place to advise people on whether to rise up and fight him or not.

Originally posted by AThousandYoung
Why is it not that simple?

Please, show me an example of how one might appeal to reason in order to approach this question.

Just war theory is an example of an attempt to determine when violence is permissible. It's all very reasonable in theory but in practice ... Have you seen 'The Wind that Shakes the Barley'?

Originally posted by AThousandYoung
Do these groups have justification to armed rebellion against their oppressors?

Native Americans vs the governments of any or all of the American governments (USA, Canada, Mexico, El Salvador, Chile, etc)

Irish vs North Irish?

Palestinians vs Israel?

Kurds vs Turkey?

Blacks vs USA?

People of Mexican descent in southern US?

Quebec ...[text shortened]... ition in Iraq? How about foreign Arabs or Muslims?

"Moors" vs Spain?

Etc...add your own.

All do, and I would like to add Basque v. Spain.