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  1. 20 Jun '12 03:59 / 1 edit
    Recently President Obama just made an edict to Homeland Security telling them not to deport illegals even though this violates the laws on the books regarding illegal immigration. So now laws need not apply to the President of the United States. In fact, Executive Orders seem to be too yesterday to be bothered with anymore.

    So what other edicts would you like to see the President make? For example, how about legalizing pot? I know you pot smokers are out there and would support this as well, so why not?
  2. Subscriber AThousandYoung
    Poor Filipov :,(
    20 Jun '12 04:10
    No President has ever deported more illegals than Obama. Calm down.
  3. 20 Jun '12 04:17 / 1 edit
    Originally posted by AThousandYoung
    No President has ever deported more illegals than Obama. Calm down.
    That was before the edict. Perhaps he was feeling guilty.

    Nevertheless, what does this have to do with the price of Tea in China? This thread is about ignoring laws, not about how many illegals Obama has deported.
  4. Subscriber AThousandYoung
    Poor Filipov :,(
    20 Jun '12 04:27
    He hasn't ignored any laws.
  5. Subscriber Sleepyguy
    Reepy Rastardly Guy
    20 Jun '12 05:55
    Originally posted by whodey
    So what other edicts would you like to see the President make?
    Oh gee, whatever Barack Obama says is the right thing to do is OK by me.
  6. 20 Jun '12 06:15
    What does this "edict" entail specifically? Do you have some source with additional information? And if Obama is acting unlawfully, why haven't Congress Republicans responded?
  7. Standard member wittywonka
    Chocolate Expert
    21 Jun '12 02:42
    Originally posted by whodey
    Recently President Obama just made an edict to Homeland Security telling them not to deport illegals even though this violates the laws on the books regarding illegal immigration. So now laws need not apply to the President of the United States. In fact, Executive Orders seem to be too yesterday to be bothered with anymore.

    So what other edicts would y ...[text shortened]... egalizing pot? I know you pot smokers are out there and would support this as well, so why not?
    Whodey, I'm curious--what do you think of the substance (not the process) of the president's decision?
  8. Subscriber FMF
    a.k.a. John W Booth
    21 Jun '12 02:50
    Originally posted by whodey
    Recently President Obama just made an edict to Homeland Security telling them not to deport illegals even though this violates the laws on the books regarding illegal immigration.
    You ran away from the other recent thread on immigration even though there were questions to you pending. While the Obama administration has deported more illegal immigrants than any previous administration, the president proposes to halt deportations of a particular group of up to 800,000 who were brought to the U.S. as children, who have lived there ever since, who are under 30, have been enrolled in education, and who have no criminal records. Do you think these immigrants should be rounded up, arrested and deported?
  9. Subscriber karoly aczel
    Fortnite Kid
    21 Jun '12 04:14
    Originally posted by whodey
    Recently President Obama just made an edict to Homeland Security telling them not to deport illegals even though this violates the laws on the books regarding illegal immigration. So now laws need not apply to the President of the United States. In fact, Executive Orders seem to be too yesterday to be bothered with anymore.

    So what other edicts would y ...[text shortened]... egalizing pot? I know you pot smokers are out there and would support this as well, so why not?
    Pot smoker and non smoker alike should be decriminalizing it. There's always been something in the way of that one there and over here
  10. Standard member sonhouse
    Fast and Curious
    21 Jun '12 14:26 / 1 edit
    Originally posted by FMF
    You ran away from the other recent thread on immigration even though there were questions to you pending. While the Obama administration has deported more illegal immigrants than any previous administration, the president proposes to halt deportations of a particular group of up to 800,000 who were brought to the U.S. as children, who have lived there ever since ...[text shortened]... no criminal records. Do you think these immigrants should be rounded up, arrested and deported?
    Especially since they can make solid contributions to America, perhaps new engineering solutions, new medicines when some of them complete Phd's.

    It seems to me a matter of compassion, something Republicans are sorely lacking in.
  11. 21 Jun '12 17:45 / 3 edits
    Originally posted by FMF
    You ran away from the other recent thread on immigration even though there were questions to you pending. While the Obama administration has deported more illegal immigrants than any previous administration, the president proposes to halt deportations of a particular group of up to 800,000 who were brought to the U.S. as children, who have lived there ever since ...[text shortened]... no criminal records. Do you think these immigrants should be rounded up, arrested and deported?
    The question is not if they should be deported. The question is should Obama be able to create policy that would mimic the Dream Act that could not get passed through Congress. The question then really is, should the president be given such power so as to ignore Congress entirely? Of course, the same sort of thing was done with cap and trade. Cap and trade could not make it through Congress either, so they had the EPA implement "regulations" that mimicked the legislation of cap and trade.

    At some point Congress with be compared to the role of the Queen of England. Sure she is the queen, but basically has no power any longer. The Executive Branch has assumed power of the country.

    If both cap and trade and the Dream Act are "good" then I would assume that democratically elected officials would vote for it. It's a thing called democracy.
  12. 21 Jun '12 17:53
    Originally posted by sonhouse
    Especially since they can make solid contributions to America, perhaps new engineering solutions, new medicines when some of them complete Phd's.

    It seems to me a matter of compassion, something Republicans are sorely lacking in.
    Speaking of compassion, should the President do a similar edict for pot smokers? After all, the terminally ill could benefit as some use it to surpress side effects of their illness. Jails would be freed up to put hardened criminals behind bars so that those who don't buy health coverage will have a place to stay etc. So assuming that enough "good" can come from such edicts that conflict with laws on the books, is this not the best way to govern? And if it is the best way to govern, then why the charade of having Congress?
  13. Subscriber FMF
    a.k.a. John W Booth
    21 Jun '12 19:37
    Originally posted by whodey
    The question is not if they should be deported.
    My question to you is should they be deported because you ran away from this question on the other similar thread. So you can answer it here instead. Whether or not these people, who were born in the U.S, should now be rounded up, arrested and deported is pertinent to the appropriateness of the Executive Order.
  14. Subscriber FMF
    a.k.a. John W Booth
    21 Jun '12 19:39
    Originally posted by whodey
    The question then really is, should the president be given such power so as to ignore Congress entirely?
    You never once criticized G.W.Bush for his Executive Orders, and he passed many more of them than the Obama administration has. Did you agree with Bush's Executive Orders, is that it?
  15. Subscriber no1marauder
    It's Nice to Be Nice
    21 Jun '12 20:33 / 1 edit
    Originally posted by whodey
    Speaking of compassion, should the President do a similar edict for pot smokers? After all, the terminally ill could benefit as some use it to surpress side effects of their illness. Jails would be freed up to put hardened criminals behind bars so that those who don't buy health coverage will have a place to stay etc. So assuming that enough "good" can com ...[text shortened]... way to govern? And if it is the best way to govern, then why the charade of having Congress?
    The laws Congress passed give wide discretion to the Executive Branch as to enforcement of immigration laws. Your complaint is meritless. As stated in the other thread:

    Here's a couple of other links concluding the new policy is within the discretion granted to the Executive by prior laws:

    http://news.yahoo.com/constitution-check-courts-overturn-deportation-reprieve-153205256.html

    http://www.theurbanpolitico.com/2012/06/is-obamas-new-immigration-policy-legal.html