The movie inspires this question. Did Lincoln delay the end of the war to get the 13th Amendment passed or was the rebels' negotiating position patently unacceptable such that sitting down with them in DC would have had even worse war consequences?
Originally posted by JS357 The movie inspires this question. Did Lincoln delay the end of the war to get the 13th Amendment passed or was the rebels' negotiating position patently unacceptable such that sitting down with them in DC would have had even worse war consequences?
I have not watched the movie, and don't fully understand the question but find it interesting.
[i]Originally posted by moon1969[/
I have not watched the movie, and don't fully understand the question but find it interesting.
Sorry I am on a kindle so am hampered. In the movie Abe declines to meet with a rebel delegation that wants to negotiate peace as being between "two nations". In part his motivation seems to include a view that imminent peace negotiations no matter the outcome of this two nations business would scuttle the 13th amendment. I am looking for views of history buffs of this period.
Originally posted by JS357 Sorry I am on a kindle so am hampered. In the movie Abe declines to meet with a rebel delegation that wants to negotiate peace as being between "two nations". In part his motivation seems to include a view that imminent peace negotiations no matter the outcome of this two nations business would scuttle the 13th amendment. I am looking for views of history buffs of this period.
I'm not aware of any such specific incident. Accepting that delegates from the CSA were from a "nation" would have undermined the entire rationale of putting down the rebellion, however.
Originally posted by JS357 The movie inspires this question. Did Lincoln delay the end of the war to get the 13th Amendment passed or was the rebels' negotiating position patently unacceptable such that sitting down with them in DC would have had even worse war consequences?
Lincoln was too busy hunting vampires to bother with the war.
Originally posted by JS357 Sorry I am on a kindle so am hampered. In the movie Abe declines to meet with a rebel delegation that wants to negotiate peace as being between "two nations". In part his motivation seems to include a view that imminent peace negotiations no matter the outcome of this two nations business would scuttle the 13th amendment. I am looking for views of history buffs of this period.
Not to your point, but I understand the southern state legislators had to vote to accept the reconstruction amendments to be readmitted to the union as a state instead of remaining a territory.
Originally posted by JS357 The movie inspires this question. Did Lincoln delay the end of the war to get the 13th Amendment passed or was the rebels' negotiating position patently unacceptable such that sitting down with them in DC would have had even worse war consequences?
I suspect you are asking about the current 13th, but a far more interesting question is why the original 13th is missing. Could it have been that Lincoln was a lawyer?
Originally posted by normbenign I suspect you are asking about the current 13th, but a far more interesting question is why the original 13th is missing. Could it have been that Lincoln was a lawyer?
Originally posted by no1marauder The preposterous claims in that article are debunked in the law journal article here: http://www.thirdamendment.com/missing.html
See especially Sections II and III.
Still significant argument over this amendment in the article you cited. Similar to the later confusion over the 16th and its ratification.
Originally posted by normbenign Still significant argument over this amendment in the article you cited. Similar to the later confusion over the 16th and its ratification.
21 Nov '12 21:25
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