Originally posted by JS357I have not watched the movie, and don't fully understand the question but find it interesting.
The movie inspires this question. Did Lincoln delay the end of the war to get the 13th Amendment passed or was the rebels' negotiating position patently unacceptable such that sitting down with them in DC would have had even worse war consequences?
[i]Originally posted by moon1969[/Sorry I am on a kindle so am hampered. In the movie Abe declines to meet with a rebel delegation that wants to negotiate peace as being between "two nations". In part his motivation seems to include a view that imminent peace negotiations no matter the outcome of this two nations business would scuttle the 13th amendment. I am looking for views of history buffs of this period.
I have not watched the movie, and don't fully understand the question but find it interesting.
Originally posted by JS357I'm not aware of any such specific incident. Accepting that delegates from the CSA were from a "nation" would have undermined the entire rationale of putting down the rebellion, however.
Sorry I am on a kindle so am hampered. In the movie Abe declines to meet with a rebel delegation that wants to negotiate peace as being between "two nations". In part his motivation seems to include a view that imminent peace negotiations no matter the outcome of this two nations business would scuttle the 13th amendment. I am looking for views of history buffs of this period.
Originally posted by JS357Lincoln was too busy hunting vampires to bother with the war.
The movie inspires this question. Did Lincoln delay the end of the war to get the 13th Amendment passed or was the rebels' negotiating position patently unacceptable such that sitting down with them in DC would have had even worse war consequences?
Originally posted by JS357Not to your point, but I understand the southern state legislators had to vote to accept the reconstruction amendments to be readmitted to the union as a state instead of remaining a territory.
Sorry I am on a kindle so am hampered. In the movie Abe declines to meet with a rebel delegation that wants to negotiate peace as being between "two nations". In part his motivation seems to include a view that imminent peace negotiations no matter the outcome of this two nations business would scuttle the 13th amendment. I am looking for views of history buffs of this period.
Originally posted by JS357I suspect you are asking about the current 13th, but a far more interesting question is why the original 13th is missing. Could it have been that Lincoln was a lawyer?
The movie inspires this question. Did Lincoln delay the end of the war to get the 13th Amendment passed or was the rebels' negotiating position patently unacceptable such that sitting down with them in DC would have had even worse war consequences?
http://freedom-school.com/truth/10/missing13th.htm
Originally posted by normbenignThe preposterous claims in that article are debunked in the law journal article here: http://www.thirdamendment.com/missing.html
I suspect you are asking about the current 13th, but a far more interesting question is why the original 13th is missing. Could it have been that Lincoln was a lawyer?
http://freedom-school.com/truth/10/missing13th.htm
See especially Sections II and III.
Originally posted by no1marauderStill significant argument over this amendment in the article you cited. Similar to the later confusion over the 16th and its ratification.
The preposterous claims in that article are debunked in the law journal article here: http://www.thirdamendment.com/missing.html
See especially Sections II and III.