Originally posted by SwissGambitYou commit two distinct logic errors.
Great. We, the alleged 'good guys' are stuck with the lame argument that 'our torture's not as bad as theirs!'
Edit: I wonder how many prisoners would choose beheading over a sexual humiliation, as with Abu Ghraib.
You are comparing apples to oranges when you impy that their "killings" and our "waterboardings" are the same. Not logical.
Then you impose a hypothetical and try to argue a real world position to fit the hypothetical. ( "I wonder how many would..." etc. )
You could benefit from studying logic. But I doubt you have the horsepower to understand it or use it.
Originally posted by StarValleyWyLet's count. Your first point is a red herring - I did not say nor imply such a thing. You earlier appealed to pity [the poor gutted/beheaded soldiers! They can only hope to be tortured!], and you finished this post with an Ad Hominem. I have made one argument from speculation.
You commit two distinct logic errors.
You are comparing apples to oranges when you impy that their "killings" and our "waterboardings" are the same. Not logical.
Then you impose a hypothetical and try to argue a real world position to fit the hypothetical. ( "I wonder how many would..." etc. )
You could benefit from studying logic. But I doubt you have the horsepower to understand it or use it.
SG 1, SVW 3.
Originally posted by SwissGambitGreat. We, the alleged 'good guys' are stuck with the lame argument that 'our torture's not as bad as theirs!'
You are either saying that we are not good guys or you are implying... what exactly? It seems that you are trying to change the subject of "Logic" to that of self-loathing, (ignorancio elenchi) and while I can see the logic in that, it is not on topic for the thread. My implied assertion that "torture" isn't "murder" was a response to your self-loathing. It seems to me that THROUGH your self-loathing you do indeed equate torture to murder. (apples and oranges) If you do not, then I apologize.
Edit: I wonder how many prisoners would choose beheading over a sexual humiliation, as with Abu Ghraib.
This one is a loser for you out of hand. You argue from a hypothetical self-loathing point of view put forth in the form of "I wonder...". Nothing that you "wonder" has meaning.
And now if I can add... a personal attack, just for fun. You are just a typical skirt-wearing silly eurotwit, and nothing you say makes any sense. Ever. Lol. Not logical and DEFINITELY an abusive ad hominem, but it feels SOOOOO good to just get it out there. Take your best shot, and if you need to cry on a shoulder, I'm sure your mommy will ablige. You are probably only ...what 40 or so??? Being a typical eurotwit, that puts you still at home suckling from her daily. She is probably doing your laundery as we speak, so go get a nice euro-man huggy from her. She might mix up some nice cocoa for you. sniff...
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Originally posted by StarValleyWyOriginally posted by StarValleyWy
[b]Great. We, the alleged 'good guys' are stuck with the lame argument that 'our torture's not as bad as theirs!'
You are either saying that we are not good guys or you are implying... what exactly? It seems that you are trying to change the subject of "Logic" to that of self-loathing, (ignorancio elenchi) and while I can see the logic in that, ...[text shortened]... ro-man huggy from her. She might mix up some nice cocoa for you. sniff...
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So far, the terrorist enemy kind of tends toward beheading... after a live gutting and several weeks of slow torture. (emphasis added)
Oops, you must have forgotten that you said that. How 'bout them apples? 😀
Not logical and DEFINITELY an abusive ad hominem, but it feels SOOOOO good to just get it out there.
Well, you do need something to make yourself feel better once your jimmy stops responding to porn. I won't begrudge you that.
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Originally posted by SwissGambitThese statements are true:
Originally posted by StarValleyWy
[b]So far, the terrorist enemy kind of tends toward beheading... after a live gutting and several weeks of slow torture. (emphasis added)
Oops, you must have forgotten that you said that. How 'bout them apples? 😀
Not logical and DEFINITELY an abusive ad hominem, but it feels SOOOOO good to ju ...[text shortened]... yourself feel better once your jimmy stops responding to porn. I won't begrudge you that.[/b]
The US has tortured some prisoners.
The terrorists have killed ALL captured US Soldiers.
Then you say that it is great that we can say that we are the same as them. Can you see that you made an error of logic?
If the statement "The US has killed all prisoners" were true, then you would be correct in equating them.
But you are not interested in logic. Are you?
Originally posted by StarValleyWyThen you say that it is great that we can say that we are the same as them. Can you see that you made an error of logic?
These statements are true:
The US has tortured [b]some prisoners.
The terrorists have killed ALL captured US Soldiers.
Then you say that it is great that we can say that we are the same as them. Can you see that you made an error of logic?
If the statement "The US has killed all prisoners" were true, then you would be correct in equating them.
But you are not interested in logic. Are you?[/b]
I can see that you are still having trouble reading what was written. I said that we're stuck with the lame argument that our torture is not as bad as theirs. In other words, it's not the same. Both are morally repugnant to me, but one less so than the other. Still, it's cold comfort. Imagine one parent saying to another, "My son's better than yours - yours is a murderer and mine is only a thief."
But you are not interested in logic. Are you?
I don't expect to find much of it in Debates. But this thread was too richly ironic to pass up.
Originally posted by SwissGambitToo Rich? As in another sophomoric attempt to equate murder to torture in your puerile attempt at logic?
[b]Then you say that it is great that we can say that we are the same as them. Can you see that you made an error of logic?
I can see that you are still having trouble reading what was written. I said that we're stuck with the lame argument that our torture is not as bad as theirs. In other words, it's not the same. Both are morally repugnant to m ...[text shortened]... t expect to find much of it in Debates. But this thread was too richly ironic to pass up.[/b]
You seem to be just another ineffectual pseudo-lib too stupid and lazy to reproduce. And you still insist on equating murder to torture IN EVERY CASE, which kind of shows you to be a twit of the worst kind. Too stupid to know when you are wrong and not enough grease between the ears to change gears.
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Originally posted by StarValleyWyMaybe you should start a 'Literacy' thread. It would be a great companion for this one. I can't wait to read it.
Too Rich? As in another sophomoric attempt to equate murder to torture in your puerile attempt at logic?
You seem to be just another ineffectual pseudo-lib too stupid and lazy to reproduce. And you still insist on equating murder to torture IN EVERY CASE, which kind of shows you to be a twit of the worst kind. Too stupid to know when you are wrong and not enough grease between the ears to change gears.
Originally posted by SwissGambitAre we then to believe that you can read? You have shown no real ability to understand simple logic. Why should we have any hope of you understanding literature?
Maybe you should start a 'Literacy' thread. It would be a great companion for this one. I can't wait to read it.
I think you had best stay with your usual routine ... as long as you don't break it off or bruise it in a moment of joy. And don't forget to lock the door so your mommy doesn't catch you.
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The SVW school of "logic"
Irrefutable argument #1
1) Person X states Y is true.
2) Person X is a pseudo-lib!!!!
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C) Y is false.
Irrefutable argument #2
1) Person X states Y is true.
2) Person X is a commie!!!!
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C) Y is false.
Irrefutable argument #3
1) Person X states Y is true.
2) Person X is a dirty terrorist lover!!!!
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C) Y is false.
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Originally posted by StarValleyWyWould it be logical to assume that bombing then invading a foreign country under false pretences is just a slightly more refined form of terrorism than a suicide bomber walking into a crowded café in Jerusalem for instance?
You commit two distinct logic errors.
You are comparing apples to oranges when you impy that their "killings" and our "waterboardings" are the same. Not logical.
Then you impose a hypothetical and try to argue a real world position to fit the hypothetical. ( "I wonder how many would..." etc. )
You could benefit from studying logic. But I doubt you have the horsepower to understand it or use it.
Originally posted by StarValleyWyThis seems to be the absolution of the new vicarious age. Name your sin, and then revel in it!
smile...
imagine old svw as he blows the smoke off his pistol and says... "I said i didn't have any use for em. I didn't say I didn't know how to use em."
And I do know i'm doing it. And I still do it because I can.