I been thinking, Do you suppose that our soul and our memory is outside our body? instead of in our brain? If you take a polarized camera and blow it up you will see a halo around every persons head, and everyone got a magnetic field around their body, you think that there is a possibility that our memory is in that magnetic Field or something? and maybe our brain limits our thinking, or limits our smarts, I hear from people who practice out of body experiences, And they say that when they leave their body for a brief time, that their mind gets crystal clear, Anyone else think that this could be a possibility?
Originally posted by flyUnityWell sir you have opened up a can of worms. Let me ask you what is cognitive thought, and what is surviving. Somewhere along the line we have evolved to think outside of what we need to do to live. But why? And how? It is true that our brain is limited by the very need to exist whithin the body and keep the body alive. Remember the matrix when morpheus said "Imagine if you could truly free your mind?" Well that would be a scary thought because if we truly did free our mind out of the constraints of our body, then who is to say our cognitive self needs a body to exist? We could exist in our own reality and do whatever we wanted. Dammit! Im doing my head in... So much to say.... I.... cant.... type......it....fast.....enough......without........imploding...........
I been thinking, Do you suppose that our soul and our memory is outside our body? instead of in our brain? If you take a polarized camera and blow it up you will see a halo around every persons head, and everyone got a magnetic field around their body, you think that there is a possibility that our memory is in that magnetic Field or something? and maybe ...[text shortened]... ef time, that their mind gets crystal clear, Anyone else think that this could be a possibility?
Back in 5 to 10 minutes. I need biscuit, a tea and a good lie down......
Originally posted by flyUnitythis is very cool to think about. thanks.
I been thinking, Do you suppose that our soul and our memory is outside our body? instead of in our brain? If you take a polarized camera and blow it up you will see a halo around every persons head, and everyone got a magnetic field around their body, you think that there is a possibility that our memory is in that magnetic Field or something? and maybe ...[text shortened]... ef time, that their mind gets crystal clear, Anyone else think that this could be a possibility?
1 edit
Originally posted by flyUnityHello Fly Unity, you've walked smack into Rupert Sheldrake's morphic resonance theory.
I been thinking, Do you suppose that our soul and our memory is outside our body? instead of in our brain? If you take a polarized camera and blow it up you will see a halo around every persons head, and everyone got a magnetic field aro ...[text shortened]... crystal clear, Anyone else think that this could be a possibility?
From an interview with Sheldrake (twm.co.nz/shel-int2.htm) :
DJB: In your book The Presence of the Past you offer the suggestion that memories are not actually stored in the brain, but rather they may be stored in an information field that can be accessed by the brain. If this should prove to be true, do you believe then that human consciousness, our personal memories and sense of self, may survive biological death in some form?
RUPERT: Well, certainly the idea that memories aren't stored in the brain opens the way for a new debate or new perspective on the question of survival of death. Most people assume memories are stored in the brain, simply because this is the mechanistic paradigm that's very rarely challenged. There's hardly any evidence for memory storage in the brain, as I show in my book, and what evidence there is could be interpreted better in terms of the brain as a tuning system, tuning into its own past. So that we can gain access to our own memories by tuning into our own past states. The brain is more like a TV receiver than like a tape recorder or a video recorder.
If memories are stored in the brain then there's no possibility of conscious, or even unconscious survival of bodily death, because if memories are in the brain, the brain decays at death, and your memories must be wiped out through the decay of the brain. No form of survival in any shape or form, even through reincarnation, would be possible in such a scenario. That's one reason why materialists are so attached to the idea of memory storage in the brain, because it refutes all religions in a two line argument. But, in fact, there's very little evidence they're stored in the brain.
So if they're not stored in the brain then the memories won't decay at death, but there'll still have to be something that can tune into them, or gain access to them. So could some tuning system, could some non-physical aspect of the self survive death and still gain access to the memories? That's the big question. I regard it as an open question. I myself think that we do survive bodily death in some form, and that some aspect of the self does survive with access to memories. And that's a personal opinion. The theory as such leaves this question quite open.
1 edit
Originally posted by Bosse de NageHow very don Juan Matus.
Hello Fly Unity, you've walked smack into Rupert Sheldrake's morphic resonance theory.
Fly, I think the halo you've described in the polaroid image is rather a limitation of the lens and extrapolating that information to the camera's media. That doesn't mean that your idea is without merit, though. After all...there's gotta be some reason all those medieval paintings show halos around people's heads, right? Those little pentecost flames and whatnot?
edit: Shouldn't this be in the Spirituality forum? Seems like a pretty spiritual topic.
Originally posted by David CRupert Sheldrake is a scientist, not a Carlos Castaneda.
How very don Juan Matus.
Fly, I think the halo you've described in the polaroid image is rather a limitation of the lens and extrapolating that information to the camera's media. That doesn't mean that your idea is without merit, though. I mean, after all...there's gotta be some reason all those medieval paintings show halos around people's heads, right? Those little pentecost flames and whatnot?
I don't know what sort of camera Fly Unity's got, but Kirlian photography shows auras, or haloes if you prefer.
Originally posted by flyUnityi can only give some terms your soul belongs to god and returns to him the body is of the earth and returns to it, " i will wipe away your sins clean and my knowledge of them, you know not of heaven in this life you will no not of this life in heaven. they who are condemed will not stop there blasphemy in hell.
I been thinking, Do you suppose that our soul and our memory is outside our body? instead of in our brain? If you take a polarized camera and blow it up you will see a halo around every persons head, and everyone got a magnetic field around their body, you think that there is a possibility that our memory is in that magnetic Field or something? and maybe ...[text shortened]... ef time, that their mind gets crystal clear, Anyone else think that this could be a possibility?
Considering the proposition that memory is outside the human body?
If this is the case how can you account for the fact that use of mnemonics has an impact upon the process of memory encoding / retrieval? If memory is stored and retrieved from somewhere outside the body the use of such memory aids would make no difference at all and every fully functioning person would have the same ability.
Originally posted by flyUnityPossibility, of course. I tend to think it's unlikely, but I haven't really looked into it.
I been thinking, Do you suppose that our soul and our memory is outside our body? instead of in our brain? If you take a polarized camera and blow it up you will see a halo around every persons head, and everyone got a magnetic field around their body, you think that there is a possibility that our memory is in that magnetic Field or something? and maybe ...[text shortened]... ef time, that their mind gets crystal clear, Anyone else think that this could be a possibility?
Of course, if you damage the brain, you damage memory, so the brain's got something to do with it.
Originally posted by David CActully the reason you see paintings of "holy" people that have a halo's is because long time ago somone took a picture of a prophet with a polorized camera, and blew it up and they saw a faint halo in it, they just assumed all angels have halos, and it went from there, A scientist (Inventor) told my dad that everone will have a halo if they blow up a polorized picture, because a polorized camera not only captures the visual light rays, but also the human magnetic field Which got me thinking again, do animals have these?
How very don Juan Matus.
Fly, I think the halo you've described in the polaroid image is rather a limitation of the lens and extrapolating that information to the camera's media. That doesn't mean that your idea is without merit, though. After all...there's gotta be some reason all those medieval paintings show halos around people's heads, right? Tho ...[text shortened]...
[b]edit: Shouldn't this be in the Spirituality forum? Seems like a pretty spiritual topic.[/b]
I dont see why this would go into the spiritual forum, I dont see nothing spiritual about it
Originally posted by flyUnityOne thing about that, if you get a lobotomy you sure can't remember
I been thinking, Do you suppose that our soul and our memory is outside our body? instead of in our brain? If you take a polarized camera and blow it up you will see a halo around every persons head, and everyone got a magnetic field around their body, you think that there is a possibility that our memory is in that magnetic Field or something? and maybe ...[text shortened]... ef time, that their mind gets crystal clear, Anyone else think that this could be a possibility?
stuff like you used to, I saw a kid get a 45 in the forehead and he
survived but was mainly a vegatable, used to talk to him when we
were 13 but at 14 he just sat on the curb and stared. So it seems
if his memories are in a field they aren't accessed any more.
Also, why couldn't two people who are very close, say identical twins,
who are emotionally close and happen to be sitting very close
physically, why couldn't they share thoughts if the fields could
mix and go from one to the other. These fields would have to be
extremely complex with parts of it unalterable after the memory
is formed. Why make such an unproveable claim when there already
is such complexity inside the brain? We don't need external forces
swirling around our heads to store memories, its already been proven
electrical stimulation of brain cells, individual brain cells can call up
memories and emotions involuntarily. The only reason they introduce
field theories like this is to try to prove connections to other issues
having nothing to do with memories, like telepathy, etc.
Originally posted by sonhouseActually I didnt claim my theory is true, I dont really believe it myself, I was just presenting a possability
One thing about that, if you get a lobotomy you sure can't remember
stuff like you used to, I saw a kid get a 45 in the forehead and he
survived but was mainly a vegatable, used to talk to him when we
were 13 but at 14 he just sat on the curb and stared. So it seems
if his memories are in a field they aren't accessed any more.
Also, why couldn't t ...[text shortened]... y to prove connections to other issues
having nothing to do with memories, like telepathy, etc.
Originally posted by flyUnitygood for you for being sceptical! The only way to fly. I don't have
Actually I didnt claim my theory is true, I dont really believe it myself, I was just presenting a possability
too much of a problem with the concept but as Carl Sagan says,
extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence, something
only on some peoples wish list. They want it to be true so bad
they would sacrifice their grandmother if it would make it so.
Originally posted by Bosse de NageWell, since Kirlian photography is simply the reaction of the introduced electric charge to the moisture in our bodies, I'd say this falls into Castaneda's realm moreso than Newton's. Might just be me, though.
Rupert Sheldrake is a scientist, not a Carlos Castaneda.
I don't know what sort of camera Fly Unity's got, but Kirlian photography shows auras, or haloes if you prefer.