Missouri bill outlawing out-of-state abortion

@sleepyguy said
Yes. I must have scrolled past it in error. Your point?

No point, simply an observation....
There a problem?

@sleepyguy said
Somehow I missed this post yesterday.

The problem with your argument is that you ARBITRARILY withdraw natural rights from the fetus so that you can rush to protect the natural rights of the mother. SO WHAT if Nature "decided" a non-viable fetus needs the mother to survive? Did not Nature also decide the baby needs her help after it is born? Human babies are hardly more v ...[text shortened]... arents. Your wish to erase that obligation at some magic point before birth is completely arbitrary.

"you ARBITRARILY withdraw natural rights from the fetus so that you can rush to protect the natural rights of the mother."
It's not arbitrary, you dingus. You can't deprive me of my rights to donate a kidney to a relative. You can't force me to donate blood. And in those cases we are talking about actual humans, not basically parasites.

You can't even take organs from a corpse without that individual giving permission prior to death.

"Did not Nature also decide the baby needs her help after it is born? Human babies are hardly more viable outside the womb than in in the early going"
Your knowledge of biology and the word "hardly " is laughable.

That's a case of conscious decision. One chooses to become a parent. Of one doesn't, the human being (actual human being) is given for adoption because, surprise surprise, it IS actually viable when a fetus isn't.

"Human beings are obligated BY NATURE to nurture and protect them"
Lol, no. Wtf are you talking about. Nature at most rewards parents with a bunch of happy drugs for caring for the little imp, but if one makes the easy decision, they can walk away. Something that humans often and easily do. OBLIGATED? (in all caps even, funny). Whatever you're smoking, quit, it's destroying you brain


"Your wish to erase that obligation at some magic point before birth is completely arbitrary."
Fine, let's humor you for a sec. It's an obligation and we can't terminate it before birth.
What about after? Child needs a kidney, the mother is the only one viable. Do you force her to donate? As in make a law. What about blood transfusion? Should a mother be required to donate blood?

Let's take it further. The pregnancy is often dangerous to the mother. Do you likewise force a mother to donate blood twice in a row? How about both kidneys? I don't know what kind of religious freak are you but some of these don't allow abortion even when the mother's life is at risk. Applying the same logic you use when forcing a woman to carry a pregnancy that would kill her, you would have no problem forcing her to give up both her kidneys. Her heart. Her liver.

@averagejoe1 said
A 28-week old fetus has been born as a baby!!!…, and lived healthily.
So to answer EVERYONE here, it is a baby at 28 weeks. Jesus. Libs. Try thinking on your own???

You must not own any stock in dictionary publishers.

@vivify said
They work if the egg hasn't been fertilized prior to taking the pill. As mentioned before, an egg can be fertilized within a half-hour after sex; if that happens, the pill is not effective.

The *average* time it takes for an egg to be fertizlied is around six days, so most of the time, the morning-after pills work.

Most "morning after" pills work by disabling the fertilized ovum's ability to implant in the uterine wall.

@suzianne said
You must not own any stock in dictionary publishers.

Here is Suzianne weighing in. She seems to take issue with my 28-week old 'fetus' comment. Here is one of your sacrosanct links, not to be questioned!! Pick any week after 28 and you are good to go, to be called a baby by some. But, alas, not by others.

https://healthcare.utah.edu/womenshealth/pregnancy-birth/preterm-birth/when-is-it-safe-to-deliver.php

@averagejoe1 said
Here is Suzianne weighing in. She seems to take issue with my 28-week old 'fetus' comment. Here is one of your sacrosanct links, not to be questioned!! Pick any week after 28 and you are good to go, to be called a baby by some. But, alas, not by others.

https://healthcare.utah.edu/womenshealth/pregnancy-birth/preterm-birth/when-is-it-safe-to-deliver.php

From your link:

In general, infants that are born very early are not considered to be viable until after 24 weeks gestation. This means that if you give birth to an infant before they are 24 weeks old, their chance of surviving is usually less than 50 percent.

So, that's a maximum 50% on the "actual human being" scale.

@sleepyguy said
From your link:

In general, infants that are born very early are not considered to be viable until after 24 weeks gestation. This means that if you give birth to an infant before they are 24 weeks old, their chance of surviving is usually less than 50 percent.

So, that's a maximum 50% on the "actual human being" scale.

I get amusement from time to time reading the posts of lard asses, who believe that sex is for pro-creation only, trying to post intelligent thoughts on when life begins.

Keep it up guys !! I have my popcorn out !! 😆

@mghrn55 said
I get amusement from time to time reading the posts of lard asses, who believe that sex is for pro-creation only, trying to post intelligent thoughts on when life begins.

Keep it up guys !! I have my popcorn out !! 😆

Who said only procreation? I am the one who coined the term for this forum, recreational sex. Remember that?, ...when no lib could ever convince us that we should pay for the comdoms, etc for these people? So, you are incorrect that we lard asses, who are actually working while you eat popcorn on your sofa, do not think sex is only for procreation . Suzy would call you a liar!! 😢 😏 🤔

@mghrn55 said
I get amusement from time to time reading the posts of lard asses, who believe that sex is for pro-creation only, trying to post intelligent thoughts on when life begins.

Keep it up guys !! I have my popcorn out !! 😆

I don't believe sex is only for procreation.

What's a uterus for though?

@sleepyguy said
From your link:

In general, infants that are born very early are not considered to be viable until after 24 weeks gestation. This means that if you give birth to an infant before they are 24 weeks old, their chance of surviving is usually less than 50 percent.

So, that's a maximum 50% on the "actual human being" scale.

You fellers are wearing me out. Do y'all have google on your computers.? Reminds me of the Jimmm feller who once had me type about 80 of the things Trump accomplished, when it was all out there!! So, once again, a simple link on babies surviving at 28 weeks. You put 24weeks in your post, I think the extra 4 weeks just about does it, don;'t you? Some people here don't believe they are babies

https://www.verywellfamily.com/worlds-smallest-preemies-2748663

@sleepyguy said
I don't believe sex is only for procreation.

What's a uterus for though?

We've nailed them, sleepy, don't bog them down with humor, (they call it comedy), they will use it as an excuse to segue!!!!!

@averagejoe1 said
You fellers are wearing me out. Do y'all have google on your computers.? Reminds me of the Jimmm feller who once had me type about 80 of the things Trump accomplished, when it was all out there!! So, once again, a simple link on babies surviving at 28 weeks. You put 24weeks in your post, I think the extra 4 weeks just about does it, don;'t you? Some people he ...[text shortened]... e don't believe they are babies

https://www.verywellfamily.com/worlds-smallest-preemies-2748663

Not I, Jo.........Don't make things up.
Anyway, all of this is irrelevant.
As of now, it's still the law of the land.
When life begins has been argued by others, many times...
it has also been debated when an unborn child has a soul.
This discussion, as it was in 1973 is only this;
''Does a woman have control over her own body, or not?''

@averagejoe1 said
You fellers are wearing me out. Do y'all have google on your computers.? Reminds me of the Jimmm feller who once had me type about 80 of the things Trump accomplished, when it was all out there!! So, once again, a simple link on babies surviving at 28 weeks. You put 24weeks in your post, I think the extra 4 weeks just about does it, don;'t you? Some people he ...[text shortened]... e don't believe they are babies

https://www.verywellfamily.com/worlds-smallest-preemies-2748663

Once they're born, even prematurely, they're called babies. Not before.

@sleepyguy said
What's a uterus for though?

When you get one, then you tell me. Before that, don't bother.

@averagejoe1 said
Who said only procreation? I am the one who coined the term for this forum, recreational sex. Remember that?, ...when no lib could ever convince us that we should pay for the comdoms, etc for these people? So, you are incorrect that we lard asses, who are actually working while you eat popcorn on your sofa, do not think sex is only for procreation . Suzy would call you a liar!! 😢 😏 🤔

Rape is neither.

You and your Republican cronies don't care about that, though, do you?