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    07 Nov '09 19:39
    Originally posted by shavixmir
    You really haven't understood socialism at all, have you?
    It's not that the ideal imagined by communism/socialism does not have some differences than the practical reality, it's that the real-world format of communism/socialism/central-planning has always failed and has given no indication to ever succeed. It changes a natural world of people looking out for themselves best and being rewarded for their efforts and success into a controlled and contrived game that makes everyone have the same resources despite different efforts and despite failures that ought to encourage learning.

    The ought to always remain rewards to success as in the natural world, even successful children are not protected from all failures, only spoiled rich kids raised improperly are not allowed to fall and learn from their mistakes.

    I'm not saying no safety net, just yes to rewards and natural differences in successful wealth accumulation and income generation.

    So it is you who refuses to discuss or recognize reality.

    Markets, price differences, and rewards/incentives reflect the value placed by society and encourage innovation and productivity.
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    07 Nov '09 19:40
    Originally posted by KazetNagorra
    I would be curious to get more specific data on this but I haven't seen any. As for the quality of service, there hasn't really been any difference. There were hardly any blackouts before, and hardly any blackouts now (hardly as in: when it happens it's a news item on national TV). But that's probably due to the fact that the company that manages the el ...[text shortened]... ly, of course, so I don't know what the difference would be if you would correct for this).
    Yet more pieces of evidence fitting the jig-saw puzzle... the model... the trend.

    A money-losing government-enterprise results in waste, which is paid for on the tax-paying end.
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