27 Aug 09
http://msn.foxsports.com/nfl/story/9991324/2-groups-to-march-for-Vick-before-first-game
So, question:
Is the NAACP an organization that is:
a) organized to support social justice, remedy past discrimination against black people and support black people in their efforts to overcome societal obstacles to success that are based on racism;
OR
b) organized to support black people, period, regardless of the circumstances and regardless of the dictates of justice or the individual case
?
If the former, can someone please explain to me in what way Vick has been the victim of injustice? I agree that he should be allowed to play, which he is. Why does he need a civil rights organization to march to support him?
If the latter, is the group really any better than the BNP?
27 Aug 09
Originally posted by sh76None of this has to do with race. In fact, I would even wager they would be marching even if he were white. The NAACP has a long tradition of supporting animal rights violators. At least, when it comes to the "white mans" pet which is the dog. Therefore, this is nothing new deserving of a thread all its own.
http://msn.foxsports.com/nfl/story/9991324/2-groups-to-march-for-Vick-before-first-game
So, question:
Is the NAACP an organization that is:
a) organized to support social justice, remedy past discrimination against black people and support black people in their efforts to overcome societal obstacles to success that are based on racism;
OR
b) org ...[text shortened]... nization to march to support him?
If the latter, is the group really any better than the BNP?
Edit: I am waiting on pens and needles awalting Obama's reactiion of protest for the way Mikey Vick is being treated.
27 Aug 09
Originally posted by whodeyWhen has the NAACP supported animal rights violators?
None of this has to do with race. In fact, I would even wager they would be marching even if he were white. The NAACP has a long tradition of supporting animal rights violators. At least, when it comes to the "white mans" pet which is the dog. Therefore, this is nothing new deserving of a thread all its own.
Edit: I am waiting on pens and needles awalting Obama's reactiion of protest for the way Mikey Vick is being treated.
Why would President Obama react to this situation at all?
27 Aug 09
Originally posted by sh76So some groups are going to go to the stadium and protest Vick and the naacp has to be there. It's simply because issues never go beyond black & white to them. What Vick did and the rights of people to protest him are irrelevant. Vick is black so the naacp is going to be there to support him. Also, there will be tons of media coverage, thus they will get a lot of coverage too for being there.
http://msn.foxsports.com/nfl/story/9991324/2-groups-to-march-for-Vick-before-first-game
So, question:
Is the NAACP an organization that is:
a) organized to support social justice, remedy past discrimination against black people and support black people in their efforts to overcome societal obstacles to success that are based on racism;
OR
b) org ...[text shortened]... nization to march to support him?
If the latter, is the group really any better than the BNP?
27 Aug 09
Originally posted by whodeythere is no way in hell they would be there if vick was white.
None of this has to do with race. In fact, I would even wager they would be marching even if he were white. The NAACP has a long tradition of supporting animal rights violators. At least, when it comes to the "white mans" pet which is the dog. Therefore, this is nothing new deserving of a thread all its own.
Edit: I am waiting on pens and needles awalting Obama's reactiion of protest for the way Mikey Vick is being treated.
27 Aug 09
Originally posted by sh76I think the key phrase is this to me:
http://msn.foxsports.com/nfl/story/9991324/2-groups-to-march-for-Vick-before-first-game
So, question:
Is the NAACP an organization that is:
a) organized to support social justice, remedy past discrimination against black people and support black people in their efforts to overcome societal obstacles to success that are based on racism;
OR
b) org ...[text shortened]... nization to march to support him?
If the latter, is the group really any better than the BNP?
Mondesire said the groups recognize Vick committed serious crimes but they are supporting his right to a second chance.
The reason they are protesting is more as a counter protest to those such as PETA who have been saying that it's an injustice that he be given a second chance at a football career.
I think they are supporting Vick's second chance because he is black, but the opposition to Vick is not because he's black either and although the NAACP supporting Vick's second chance might imply that they think it's because of this, I haven't heard them claim that.
27 Aug 09
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Originally posted by sh76I am just goofing on you guys. I was merely trying to reveal the absurdity of the situation. Unfortunatly, I don't think I can make it any more absurd than it is which explains why you may have thought I was being serious.
When has the NAACP supported animal rights violators?
Why would President Obama react to this situation at all?
As for Obama's reaction to Mikey Vick, this was in reference to his reaction to his friend being locked outside of his home trying to break in and subsequently being stopped by the police. I am just waiting for a similar knee jerk racial response.
27 Aug 09
Originally posted by whodeyYes, it is kind of absurd as it is... 🙂
I am just goofing on you guys. I was merely trying to reveal the absurdity of the situation. Unfortunatly, I don't think I can make it any more absurd than it is which explains why you may have thought I was being serious.
As for Obama's reaction to Mikey Vick, this was in reference to his reaction to his friend being locked outside of his home trying to ...[text shortened]... ently being stopped by the police. I am just waiting for a similar knee jerk racial response.
I think the President is smart enough to stay out of the Vick case. 😉
27 Aug 09
Originally posted by PsychoPawnI kind of agree with sh76 here.
I think the key phrase is this to me:
Mondesire said the groups recognize Vick committed serious crimes but they are supporting his right to a second chance.
The reason they are protesting is more as a counter protest to those such as PETA who have been saying that it's an injustice that he be given a second chance at a football career.
I ...[text shortened]... chance might imply that they think it's because of this, I haven't heard them claim that.
While I think it's reasonable to assert that he should be given a second chance, what does this have to do with the NAACP? This case has absolutely nothing to do with race, and yet the NAACP is getting involved just because Vick happens to be black. They haven't come out and said so, but who really believes they'd be involved if Vick was a white man?
I think the NAACP has done some great works over the years, but this is completely silly. It reduces the credibility of the organization.
27 Aug 09
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Originally posted by MelanerpesExactly. The Vick situation is being used as a fundraiser for the local NAACP. To my knowledge, PETA still has not organized an official protest against Vick for tonight's game, so wouldn't the NAACP better serve Vick by being silent and letting the controversy slowly die away.
[b]the NAACP (like PETA or any other issue-related group) isn't going to attract donations and memberships by being quiet.
27 Aug 09
Originally posted by USArmyParatrooperAre there any groups out there devoted to "ex-convict's rights"?
I kind of agree with sh76 here.
While I think it's reasonable to assert that he should be given a second chance, what does this have to do with the NAACP? This case has absolutely nothing to do with race, and yet the NAACP is getting involved just because Vick happens to be black. They haven't come out and said so, but who really believe ...[text shortened]... over the years, but this is completely silly. It reduces the credibility of the organization.
A major issue here would involve what happens after a criminal has done their time and then tries to get a job. Understandably, most employers will be wary about hiring someone who has a record that includes doing time in prison. But if someone can't find legitimate work, it's very likely they will turn to illegal activity.
This is the real issue that Vick represents, and a "ex-convict's rights" group should be the ones leading the protest. But do any such groups exist?
27 Aug 09
Originally posted by USArmyParatrooperI agree that it's a stretch for the NAACP to be involved here too... I'm just not outraged over it.
I kind of agree with sh76 here.
While I think it's reasonable to assert that he should be given a second chance, what does this have to do with the NAACP? This case has absolutely nothing to do with race, and yet the NAACP is getting involved just because Vick happens to be black. They haven't come out and said so, but who really believe ...[text shortened]... over the years, but this is completely silly. It reduces the credibility of the organization.
Of course the NAACP wouldn't come out and be involved if Vick was white - nor would I expect them to. Their mandate is primarily to fight for the civil rights of "colored people" (from their title) and that isn't racist as long as they aren't fighting for increased rights over other ethnicities and they aren't somehow saying that a white dog fighter not get a second chance.