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  1. 27 Feb '11 00:54
    It turns out that light sweet crude contains less sulfur and is much easier to refine. Since many refineries are not even capable of refining the alternate sour crude, Libyan sweet crude oil is especially valuable.

    Now Obama (meet the new boss, same as the old boss) wants a NATO invasion of Libya.

    Many people in Tunisia and Egypt are still unhappy and continue demonstrations even though their hated dictators stepped down. They are being cracked on by security forces much as they were before but there is little news coverage of that.

    Obama is treating the situation in Libya differently than Tunisia and Egypt. Is light sweet crude the primary reason?
  2. Standard member sh76
    Civis Americanus Sum
    27 Feb '11 01:04 / 1 edit
    Originally posted by Metal Brain
    It turns out that light sweet crude contains less sulfur and is much easier to refine. Since many refineries are not even capable of refining the alternate sour crude, Libyan sweet crude oil is especially valuable.

    Now Obama (meet the new boss, same as the old boss) wants a NATO invasion of Libya.

    Many people in Tunisia and Egypt are still unhappy ...[text shortened]... situation in Libya differently than Tunisia and Egypt. Is light sweet crude the primary reason?
    When did Obama say anything about NATO invading Libya?
  3. 27 Feb '11 01:10
    Originally posted by sh76
    When did Obama say anything about NATO invading Libya??
    I don't think he used the word invade. He did say he wanted to get NATO support to intervene. What would you call it, an air show?

    Fidel Castro is making a fuss about it as well as others.

    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-latin-america-12542002
  4. Standard member sh76
    Civis Americanus Sum
    27 Feb '11 01:17
    Originally posted by Metal Brain
    I don't think he used the word invade. He did say he wanted to get NATO support to intervene. What would you call it, an air show?

    Fidel Castro is making a fuss about it as well as others.

    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-latin-america-12542002
    Yes, I saw that Castro said it.

    Obama did not say it. All Obama has said, from what I can tell, is that Gadaffi should step down.
  5. 27 Feb '11 02:56
    Originally posted by sh76
    Yes, I saw that Castro said it.

    Obama did not say it. All Obama has said, from what I can tell, is that Gadaffi should step down.
    Obama said he was talking to NATO leaders about it. Saw him on the news last night. It was very brief and there was others discussing it as well.

    http://articles.cnn.com/2011-02-24/world/libya.military.intervention_1_libyan-government-moammar-gadhafi-nato-action?_s=PM:WORLD

    Now there is serious backtracking on it and it now looks like it will not be NATO.
    It was definitely being discussed as a serious option.

    http://www.voanews.com/english/news/africa/NATO-Not-Planning-to-Interfere-in-Libya-116846778.html
  6. Subscriber FMF
    a.k.a. John W Booth
    27 Feb '11 03:02
    Originally posted by Metal Brain
    It was definitely being discussed as a serious option.
    Would dismissing the possibility that it is "a serious option" count as it "being discussed" as a serious option?
  7. 27 Feb '11 03:08
    There are still protests and killings in Tunisia and Egypt.

    http://www.voanews.com/english/news/Tunisian-Forces-Fire-Tear-Gas-at-Demonstrators-116980828.html

    I am finding it hard to find a link on the same thing in Egypt, but I saw it on ABC Nightly News tonight. The military leaders claimed they didn't order it, but it happened in any case.
  8. 27 Feb '11 03:14
    Originally posted by FMF
    Would dismissing the possibility that it is "a serious option" count as it "being discussed" as a serious option?
    http://www.voanews.com/english/news/middle-east/EU-NATO-UN-Discuss-Intervention-in-Libya-116931063.html
  9. Subscriber FMF
    a.k.a. John W Booth
    27 Feb '11 03:19
    Originally posted by Metal Brain
    http://www.voanews.com/english/news/middle-east/EU-NATO-UN-Discuss-Intervention-in-Libya-116931063.html
    Would meeting to dismiss [in the face of speculation] the possibility that it is "a serious option" count as it "being discussed" as a serious option?
  10. 27 Feb '11 03:24
    Originally posted by FMF
    Would meeting to dismiss [in the face of speculation] the possibility that it is "a serious option" count as it "being discussed" as a serious option?
    What are you talking about?

    http://edition.cnn.com/2011/WORLD/africa/02/24/us.obama.libya/
  11. Subscriber FMF
    a.k.a. John W Booth
    27 Feb '11 03:33
    Originally posted by Metal Brain
    What are you talking about?
    What I am talking about - I suppose - is the definition of "serious" - particularly in the context of the breathless 24 hour news cycle.
  12. 27 Feb '11 03:41
    Originally posted by FMF
    What I am talking about - I suppose - is the definition of "serious" - particularly in the context of the breathless 24 hour news cycle.
    Obama tried to get NATO support for it and found out it wasn't there. Now they are back peddling.
    No fly zones were part of the plan. That requires military intervention. That is only what they are admitting to. It was definitely serious.
  13. Subscriber FMF
    a.k.a. John W Booth
    27 Feb '11 03:43
    Originally posted by Metal Brain
    Obama tried to get NATO support for it and found out it wasn't there. Now they are back peddling.
    No fly zones were part of the plan. That requires military intervention. That is only what they are admitting to. It was definitely serious.
    Ok. I see.
  14. 27 Feb '11 14:35
    Enough of this wailing over Libya.They got that sweet light crude
    The west should have it so they can power factories and make stuff with it.
    The Libyans ain't gonna do nothin' with it except go "Durhhhh".
    For the good of the planet it should be taken from them since they're too stupit to do anything usefull with it except sell it to the highest bidder and drive prices up while they keep going "durhhhhh" and watch the west manufacture products for the world.
    Case closed.
  15. Subscriber FMF
    a.k.a. John W Booth
    27 Feb '11 14:48
    Originally posted by Sam The Sham
    Enough of this wailing over Libya.They got that sweet light crude
    The west should have it so they can power factories and make stuff with it.
    The Libyans ain't gonna do nothin' with it except go "Durhhhh".
    For the good of the planet it should be taken from them since they're too stupit to do anything usefull with it except sell it to the highest bid ...[text shortened]... eep going "durhhhhh" and watch the west manufacture products for the world.
    Case closed.
    You're trying too hard.