Reminds me of how LBJ made up a story of American ships being attacked by Vietnam to justify entering the war.
https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2014/aug/02/vietnam-presidents-lie-to-wage-war-Iraq
Then we have "W" and his "WMD" claim in Iraq.
And we can never forget Obama and the UN claiming that they needed to save lives in Libya that were threatened by Gaddafi.
Is this just business as usual?
And let's suppose Trump has told a billion lies. Are any of them as bad that cause such death and misery?
@whodey saidYour article is 10 years old and it was known well before that the Lusitania was
https://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=97350149
A little late, I know, but it just goes to show how government lied to us about it. Wilson was sending the UK arms, and as such, it was a legitimate military target.
carrying arms. The British tried to cover this up by depth-charging the wreck.
@whodey saidA little late, I know-
https://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=97350149
A little late, I know, but it just goes to show how government lied to us about it. Wilson was sending the UK arms, and as such, it was a legitimate military target.
Whodey, this happened on Friday, 7 May 1915. That's more than a LITTLE late.
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@wolfgang59 saidAnd yet it's still being used, amusingly enough mostly by people from whodey's own side, as an argument how Germans are Always Chaotic Evil and how The Kaiser was a proto-Hitler and Germany in WWI was already the Nazis, really. So the more it gets admitted that in WWI (and in stark contrast to WWII) the Allies were the bad guys just as much as the Axis, the better.
Your article is 10 years old and it was known well before that the Lusitania was
carrying arms. The British tried to cover this up by depth-charging the wreck.
@whodey saidThere was no reason to enter the war unless the USA became a puppet of the British Empire. Then it makes sense.
https://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=97350149
A little late, I know, but it just goes to show how government lied to us about it. Wilson was sending the UK arms, and as such, it was a legitimate military target.
@metal-brain saidOf course, and the Zimmerman telegram had nothing to do with it.
There was no reason to enter the war unless the USA became a puppet of the British Empire. Then it makes sense.
@shallow-blue saidActually I suspect it's the opposite - they are Nazi sympathizers who want to repair Germany's reputation.
And yet it's still being used, amusingly enough mostly by people from whodey's own side, as an argument how Germans are Always Chaotic Evil and how The Kaiser was a proto-Hitler and Germany in WWI was already the Nazis, really. So the more it gets admitted that in WWI (and in stark contrast to WWII) the Allies were the bad guys just as much as the Axis, the better.
@shallow-blue saidAnd yet it's still being used, amusingly enough mostly by people from whodey's own side
And yet it's still being used, amusingly enough mostly by people from whodey's own side, as an argument how Germans are Always Chaotic Evil and how The Kaiser was a proto-Hitler and Germany in WWI was already the Nazis, really. So the more it gets admitted that in WWI (and in stark contrast to WWII) the Allies were the bad guys just as much as the Axis, the better.
Who is on whodey's "side"? Each person is unique, and has their own opinions.
So the more it gets admitted that in WWI (and in stark contrast to WWII) the Allies were the bad guys just as much as the Axis, the better.
A. Germany attacked Belgium, a neutral country, and subsequently committed war crimes, known as "the Rape of Belgium". Britain had guaranteed Belgian independence since the Treaty of London,1839. Germany attacked Belgium being perfectly aware of the repercussions (a British entry into the war) - Prussia had even signed the Treaty of London themselves.
B. Germany broke the Hague conventions by using chemical weapons (chlorine gas). If they had not, a chemical war would have been avoided.
C. Germany spitefully destroyed anything left in northern France when their army was finally being routed.
D. Germany and its allies were known as the Central Powers during WW1, not the Axis.
@ashiitaka saidI agree with points A and D, I have no comment on C (I don't know). Regarding B I'd replace the word "would" with "could", I don't think it's guaranteed.
And yet it's still being used, amusingly enough mostly by people from whodey's own side
Who is on whodey's "side"? Each person is unique, and has their own opinions.
So the more it gets admitted that in WWI (and in stark contrast to WWII) the Allies were the bad guys just as much as the Axis, the better.
A. Germany attacked Belgium, a neutral country ...[text shortened]... being routed.
D. Germany and its allies were known as the Central Powers during WW1, not the Axis.
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@metal-brain saidYou mean the other way 'round, I'm sure. Airstrip One, remember?
There was no reason to enter the war unless the USA became a puppet of the British Empire. Then it makes sense.
