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  1. Zugzwang
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    28 Jun '18 02:041 edit
    "Greater love hath no man than this, that a man lay down his life for his friends."
    --John 15: 13

    http://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/man-who-couldnt-swim-sacrifices-his-life-to-save-a-boy-from-drowning/ar-AAzg23p?ocid=ientp2

    "Man who couldn't swim sacrifices his life to save a boy from drowning"

    "Even though he couldn't swim, Victor Mozqueda jumped into a raging river to
    save a 5-year-old boy from drowning. He rescued the boy, but died in the process."

    This story reminds me of Joe Delaney, a NFL player who died at age 24.
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Joe_Delaney

    "Delaney died on June 29, 1983 while attempting to rescue three
    children from drowning in a pond in Monroe in northeastern Louisiana.
    He was posthumously awarded the Presidential Citizen's Medal."

    "Despite his inability to swim,[18] Delaney nevertheless tried to rescue
    the children.[6][19] One child managed to get out of the water without
    harm and another was taken to an emergency room where he later
    died; police recovered the body of Delaney and the remaining child."
  2. Standard membervivify
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    28 Jun '18 02:31
    Honestly, who would give this post a thumbs down?

    If anything exists after this life, may he be rewarded for his sacrifice.
  3. Zugzwang
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    28 Jun '18 18:494 edits
    Originally posted by @vivify
    Honestly, who would give this post a thumbs down?

    If anything exists after this life, may he be rewarded for his sacrifice.
    Two 'thumbs down' so far for the original post about a man who sacrificed his life to save a child.
    'Haters gotta hate'. and RHP has many haters.

    At the initial time of this posting, it was two 'thumbs up' and two 'thumbs down' for the original post.
  4. SubscriberGhost of a Duke
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    28 Jun '18 18:531 edit
    Thumbs up from me.


    (And I say that as a non-swimmer).
  5. Zugzwang
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    28 Jun '18 19:18
    Originally posted by @ghost-of-a-duke
    Thumbs up from me.
    (And I say that as a non-swimmer).
    I created this thread because I felt inspired by the hero's selfless courage (which is not unique).
    And I thought that his sacrifice deserved to be brought to the attention of more people.

    I can swim well enough in a pool, but not in a 'raging river'.
    Although I am untrained in rescue techniques, I would dive into a swimming pool,
    if necessary, to help a child whom I perceived as in danger of drowning
    I would not have gone into a 'raging river' because I expect that I would have died
    without being able to save the child. My sacrifice would have been useless.

    From the perspective of utilitarian ethics, a would-be rescuer should consider whether
    continuing one's own life would be more useful than the life of a child of unknown potential.
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    28 Jun '18 19:48
    Originally posted by @ghost-of-a-duke
    Thumbs up from me.


    (And I say that as a non-swimmer).
    (And I say that as a non-swimmer).

    あなたさんは本当に泳ぐことができませんか?イギリス人だよ!

    あなたさんの妻は日本人ですかね、でも日本語を少し読むとわかるですよね?
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    28 Jun '18 19:55
    Originally posted by @vivify
    Honestly, who would give this post a thumbs down?

    If anything exists after this life, may he be rewarded for his sacrifice.
    Agreed. This is a good post.
    If anything, to remind us that there is hope for our species.
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    28 Jun '18 20:00
    I don't get it. How is this Trump's fault?
  9. SubscriberGhost of a Duke
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    28 Jun '18 20:112 edits
    Originally posted by @ashiitaka
    [b](And I say that as a non-swimmer).

    あなたさんは本当に泳ぐことができませんか?イギリス人だよ!

    あなたさんの妻は日本人ですかね、でも日本語を少し読むとわかるですよね?[/b]
    かなづち (hammer) という言葉は泳げない人のことだから覚えています。


    Many of us English chaps can't swim. 🙂
  10. SubscriberGhost of a Duke
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    28 Jun '18 20:19
    Originally posted by @duchess64
    I created this thread because I felt inspired by the hero's selfless courage (which is not unique).
    And I thought that his sacrifice deserved to be brought to the attention of more people.

    I can swim well enough in a pool, but not in a 'raging river'.
    Although I am untrained in rescue techniques, I would dive into a swimming pool,
    if necessary, to ...[text shortened]... r
    continuing one's own life would be more useful than the life of a child of unknown potential.
    I honestly don't know what I would do if faced with a similar situation. I suspect my altruism would be overridden by my deep down fear of water.
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    28 Jun '18 20:21
    Originally posted by @whodey
    I don't get it. How is this Trump's fault?
    If Trump ever falls into a river, just follow the slick. 😀
  12. Zugzwang
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    28 Jun '18 20:26
    Originally posted by @vivify
    Honestly, who would give this post a thumbs down?

    If anything exists after this life, may he be rewarded for his sacrifice.
    Now there are four 'thumbs down' for the original post.
    'Haters gotta hate'. and RHP has many haters.
  13. Zugzwang
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    28 Jun '18 20:34
    Originally posted by @ghost-of-a-duke
    I honestly don't know what I would do if faced with a similar situation. I suspect my altruism would be overridden by my deep down fear of water.
    No one would blame a non-swimmer for not risking one's life to help a drowning person.
    I would contact emergency services as soon as I could and let the trained professionals do their job.

    In an extremely isolated situation, I was once asked to offer medical advice or services,
    even though I am not licensed or really qualified to do so. I explained my ignorance.
    I explained that being fairly educated in some fields did not mean that I must be so in medicine.
    After the other person complained enough of being unable to find medical aid from
    anyone else, I relented and do what I could to help, first taking care to do no more harm.
    At least, I did not have to worry then about being sued for malpractice.
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    28 Jun '18 20:34
    Originally posted by @mghrn55
    If Trump ever falls into a river, just follow the slick. 😀
    That's the spirit! 😵

    Ya'll started to worry me.
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    28 Jun '18 20:371 edit
    Three boys walk through the woods and suddenly hear cries for help. They follow the sound to the lake and see President Trump drowning. The boys jump into the water and drag him to shore. Trump asks the boys how he can repay them. The first boy says, "I want a boat." The second boy says, "I want a truck." The third boy says, "I want a nice tombstone." Trump asks, "Why is that?" The boy says, "Because when my mom Duchy finds out I helped save you, she is going to kill me."
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