Originally posted by @no1marauder
The WMD argument for invading Iraq was a fraud and those making it knew it (well maybe not GWB - he might have been that dumb). That is why they rushed to invade before allowingdecent prospects in their own lands. the inspectors to finish their job; they knew if they had, they would not have found any evidence of an existing WMD program.
There is n ...[text shortened]... are welcome to to such fantasies.
That said, I did not support Western intervention in Libya.
It is risky to imagine we can classify political groupings in Libya (for example) using the language of Western politics.
It is even risky to insist that the boundaries of Libya, Algeria, Morocco et al mean to the North Africans what they mean to Europeans and Americans. These borders represent Europe's carving up of the African pie in the C19th. Libya became an Italian colony from 1910 to 1947 so has a distinctive history compared to its neighbours but the boundaries on all sides are very porous.
It is not contentious to say that there was a movement within Libya to resist and even get rid of Gaddaffi. The danger is to assume that this was a Western style popular demand for a Western style democratic system and Western values. One element in their politics will have been western influenced by all means but the major driver in North African popular politics is the horrible history of Western (especially French) imperialism, the racist exclusion of Muslims from the rights of citizenship in their own lands, and the desire to replace European values with African ones, primarily versions of Islam. One significant aspect of this is unavoidably support for fundamentalist Islamic political movements including ISIS.
There is a danger of my post also caricaturing and over simplifying, which is futile. The point I am making though is that western intervention may have been sold to the Western public in terms of democracy and freedom versus dictatorship and tyranny, but that is nonsense, a fairy story, as always in this post-colonial era.
To test the level of nonsense involved, consider this - it implies that the people of North Africa are crying out for the opportunity to restore the political values of the European empires, in which they were until recently (and in many respects they are still) treated with insulting condescension and locked out of all opportunities. It has taken a huge struggle to achieve some level of independence from European imperial control - the North African people are more likely to want to increase that independence, not lose it again for a chimera.