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  1. Standard member sasquatch672
    Don't Like It Leave
    13 May '13 16:53
    Remember when Arrogant Barry decided to make recess appointments to the National Labor Relations Board when the Senate wasn't in recess? The NLRB has released its assessment of the damage Obama has wrought by not following the Constitution, and a court subsequently found His appointments to be...wait for it...unconstitutional. 1,569 decsions invalidated, untold tens of millions, perhaps hundreds of millions of dollars, wasted, because King Barry doesn't believe that the United States should be a nation of laws.

    http://washingtonexaminer.com/ruling-on-nlrb-recess-appointments-could-void-1569-cases/article/2529516?
  2. 14 May '13 12:15
    Originally posted by sasquatch672
    Remember when Arrogant Barry decided to make recess appointments to the National Labor Relations Board when the Senate wasn't in recess? The NLRB has released its assessment of the damage Obama has wrought by not following the Constitution, and a court subsequently found His appointments to be...wait for it...unconstitutional. 1,569 decsions invalidat ...[text shortened]... shingtonexaminer.com/ruling-on-nlrb-recess-appointments-could-void-1569-cases/article/2529516?
    When all the truth comes out I bet there will be 8 years worth of presidential decisions that will be invalid as well.
  3. Subscriber no1marauder
    It's Nice to Be Nice
    14 May '13 15:51 / 1 edit
    Originally posted by sasquatch672
    Remember when Arrogant Barry decided to make recess appointments to the National Labor Relations Board when the Senate wasn't in recess? The NLRB has released its assessment of the damage Obama has wrought by not following the Constitution, and a court subsequently found His appointments to be...wait for it...unconstitutional. 1,569 decsions invalidat shingtonexaminer.com/ruling-on-nlrb-recess-appointments-could-void-1569-cases/article/2529516?
    This is typical, misinformed nonsense from someone who has a hardon against President Obama. From your own link:

    . In 2011, the Board had only three
    Members—the minimum number of Members required for a quorum52—with one of the three
    scheduled to vacate his seat by the end of the first session of the 112th Congress. In an effort to
    prevent membership from dropping below the minimum quorum required for the Board to fully
    conduct business, President Obama nominated Terrence F. Flynn for a seat on the Board on
    January 5, 2011.53


    https://www.fas.org/sgp/crs/misc/R43030.pdf at p. 8

    So the NLRB wouldn't have been able to conduct any business at all absent the appointments. So nothing was "wasted" by making them; their validity is a open Constitutional question never before considered by the SCOTUS i.e. whether the Senate can avoid recess appointments by having a fake "session" at which one member shows up every three or four days, gavels himself to order and then a few minutes later adjourns. The case will surely go to the SCOTUS for a definitive decision.

    Naturally sasquatch is careless with the facts; the assessment released was not by the NLRB but by the National Right To Work Legal Foundation a right wing, pro-business, anti-union group.

    EDIT: The President in making the appointments was relying on existing case law which the D.C. Circuit decision is in conflict with:

    Addressing the constitutional question before it, the D.C. Circuit issued two holdings: first, that there is no recess between sessions — an intra-session recess does not count; and second, that a vacancy itself must arise during an inter-session recess for a valid recess appointment to be made. The first holding is contrary to an Eleventh Circuit opinion; the second ruling is in conflict with three other circuits.

    http://www.employmentlawdaily.com/index.php/news/nlrb-petitions-supreme-court-for-review-of-d-c-circuits-noel-canning-decision/


    So "King Barry" was relying on established law. Perhaps the SCOTUS will overturn that law (it's quite possible it won't even reach the merits as Appellant never challenged jurisdiction and the Court took it on itself to reach that issue), but surely the President can make his decisions based on what courts have already ruled.
  4. Standard member sasquatch672
    Don't Like It Leave
    15 May '13 16:24
    Originally posted by no1marauder
    This is typical, misinformed nonsense from someone who has a hardon against President Obama. From your own link:

    . In 2011, the Board had only three
    Members—the minimum number of Members required for a quorum52—with one of the three
    scheduled to vacate his seat by the end of the first session of the 112th Congress. In an effort to
    prevent member ...[text shortened]... ut surely the President can make his decisions based on what courts have already ruled.
    Keep rearranging the deck chairs. The Ship of State is sinking. Now that the media got attacked, Obama will find no quarter.
  5. Subscriber no1marauder
    It's Nice to Be Nice
    15 May '13 21:00
    Originally posted by sasquatch672
    Keep rearranging the deck chairs. The Ship of State is sinking. Now that the media got attacked, Obama will find no quarter.
    Your attempt to throw crap on the wall here didn't work.
  6. Standard member sasquatch672
    Don't Like It Leave
    15 May '13 21:05
    Originally posted by no1marauder
    Your attempt to throw crap on the wall here didn't work.
    You know what? You're right. Much bigger fish to fry than this. With the IRS, AP, and Benghazi, this one is nothing.

    He did accomplish his goal of ending hyperpartisanship. Only Obama could unite the Tea Party and the liberal media.
  7. Subscriber no1marauder
    It's Nice to Be Nice
    15 May '13 21:09
    Originally posted by sasquatch672
    You know what? You're right. Much bigger fish to fry than this. With the IRS, AP, and Benghazi, this one is nothing.

    He did accomplish his goal of ending hyperpartisanship. Only Obama could unite the Tea Party and the liberal media.
    I agree the IRS allegations are troubling though blaming any of it on Obama is premature at best.