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While the corporate news media distracted Americans with the gay marriage issue Obama sold out to Monsanto.

http://www.examiner.com/article/obama-sells-out-u-s-citizens-by-signing-monsanto-protection-act-into-law

His leftist supporters should be furious as well as the right wingers. Will most democrats condemn Obama with disdain or will they bite their tongues because of partisan bias and embarrassment for vocal past support?

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Originally posted by Metal Brain
While the corporate news media distracted Americans with the gay marriage issue Obama sold out to Monsanto.

http://www.examiner.com/article/obama-sells-out-u-s-citizens-by-signing-monsanto-protection-act-into-law

His leftist supporters should be furious as well as the right wingers. Will most democrats condemn Obama with disdain or will they bite their tongues because of partisan bias and embarrassment for vocal past support?
Actually this falls into Obama's hand as a collectivist. The idea is to centralize power no matter its form. That is the hard part. Then all that it is needed to control that power.

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I just looked up the actual bill. I don't quite get the same conclusion from it as the emo treehuggers apparently do, then again, the legal lingo is quite opaque. In any case, GM crops are essential for food security and protecting the environment on the long term, and limiting the ability of paranoid crybabies to obstruct new research into GM crops is probably a good thing.

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Originally posted by KazetNagorra
I just looked up the actual bill. I don't quite get the same conclusion from it as the emo treehuggers apparently do, then again, the legal lingo is quite opaque. In any case, GM crops are essential for food security and protecting the environment on the long term, and limiting the ability of paranoid crybabies to obstruct new research into GM crops is probably a good thing.
I agree that GMOs can be helpful in the long run if the technology is used properly, but I will refer you to some lyrics from a Sepultura song.

Bio-technology
Ain't what's so bad
Like all technology
It's in the wrong hands

If it is put in the right hands I will jump on your bandwagon, but as it is right now...no way!

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Originally posted by Metal Brain
I agree that GMOs can be helpful in the long run if the technology is used properly, but I will refer you to some lyrics from a Sepultura song.

Bio-technology
Ain't what's so bad
Like all technology
It's in the wrong hands

If it is put in the right hands I will jump on your bandwagon, but as it is right now...no way!
Oh right, because the technology is in the hands of evil corporations ruled by Dr. Mengele!

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There's two problems here: one, the law was snuck into the Continuing Resolution to fund all government agencies for the next six months. The only way Obama could stop it would be to veto the entire bill and thus potentially shut down the government. This would seem to have greater adverse consequences then the bill itself.

Two, I haven't been able to find the actual text of the bill but it is described on these sites as:

If approved, the Monsanto Protection Act would force the USDA to allow continued planting of any GMO crop under court review,

At worst, that seems to say that the USDA can't stop the crops being grown, but presumably courts can. And even if they can't during the pendency of the action, Monsanto and whoever would still be ultimately liable for any damages caused by harmful crops pursuant to judicial action. This generally acts as a brake on such practices.

In a perfect world, the law shouldn't have been passed; it's supposed to be the USDA's job to determine what crops are harmful and dangerous and to issue appropriate regulations. But shutting down the government in order to stop this isn't a viable action. People should bitch at their Congressmen and Senators rather than the President for this one.

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Originally posted by no1marauder
There's two problems here: one, the law was snuck into the Continuing Resolution to fund all government agencies for the next six months. The only way Obama could stop it would be to veto the entire bill and thus potentially shut down the government. This would seem to have greater adverse consequences then the bill itself.

Two, I have ...[text shortened]... e should bitch at their Congressmen and Senators rather than the President for this one.
Sounds like you are an apologist for poison pill amendments in legislation. A president with a backbone would:

1) Veto the bill in protest of the poison pill amendment
2) Call for another bill without the poison pill amendment
3) Use the bully pulpit to call for an end to poison pill amendments
4) Stress the counter productive effects of poison pill amendments in every interview possible to bring awareness to the problem

Instead he goes along with the BS which effectively condones the practice of poison pill amendments. Seems to me Obama has no problem with it. Just a lame excuse to be a corrupt politician.

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Originally posted by KazetNagorra
Oh right, because the technology is in the hands of evil corporations ruled by Dr. Mengele!
Your willful ignorance amazes me. These bio-techs that create GMOs are also chemical companies that promote the sale of their herbicides.

http://www.reuters.com/article/2011/02/24/us-monsanto-roundup-idUSTRE71N4XN20110224

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Originally posted by Metal Brain
Your willful ignorance amazes me. These bio-techs that create GMOs are also chemical companies that promote the sale of their herbicides.

http://www.reuters.com/article/2011/02/24/us-monsanto-roundup-idUSTRE71N4XN20110224
How dare they want to sell more of their products!

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Originally posted by Metal Brain
Sounds like you are an apologist for poison pill amendments in legislation. A president with a backbone would:

1) Veto the bill in protest of the poison pill amendment
2) Call for another bill without the poison pill amendment
3) Use the bully pulpit to call for an end to poison pill amendments
4) Stress the counter productive effects of poison pi ...[text shortened]... dments. Seems to me Obama has no problem with it. Just a lame excuse to be a corrupt politician.
That is sheer stupidity. It would be utterly ridiculous (and not good for America and our familes) for the President to waste such political capital on this issue. I am glad you are not President.

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Originally posted by Metal Brain
Sounds like you are an apologist for poison pill amendments in legislation. A president with a backbone would:

1) Veto the bill in protest of the poison pill amendment
2) Call for another bill without the poison pill amendment
3) Use the bully pulpit to call for an end to poison pill amendments
4) Stress the counter productive effects of poison pi ...[text shortened]... dments. Seems to me Obama has no problem with it. Just a lame excuse to be a corrupt politician.
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Originally posted by moon1969
That is sheer stupidity. It would be utterly ridiculous (and not good for America and our familes) for the President to waste such political capital on this issue. I am glad you are not President.
It is sheer stupidity to ignore it. Nobody should vote for a bill cluttered with multiple issues when they don't like one or more of them. A bill should contain one issue at a time.
Until this happens idiots like you will claim he had to sign bad legislation to get this or that passed, while others will be blamed for NOT voting for a bill that contains good legislation bundled with bad legislation.

This is not how bills should be passed. If Obama (and congressmen) would grow a spine and veto any bill that is cluttered with undesirable junk there would be no other option than to draft a bill that is not clusterfracked.

The American people would welcome this. You are just a democrat looking to defend the corrupt practices of government because Obama signed a bad bill that he didn't have to. He has been doing this all along. He didn't have to continue the Bush tax cuts either. They were going to expire. He should have vetoed the bill and told congress to not clutter the bill with poison pill legislation.

I'm glad you are not President. You have no common sense.

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Originally posted by Metal Brain
It is sheer stupidity to ignore it. Nobody should vote for a bill cluttered with multiple issues when they don't like one or more of them. A bill should contain one issue at a time.
Until this happens idiots like you will claim he had to sign bad legislation to get this or that passed, while others will be blamed for NOT voting for a bill that contains ...[text shortened]... with poison pill legislation.

I'm glad you are not President. You have no common sense.
Naive and stupid, respectfully. I am glad you are not advising the President. While you spout the words, you seem to have no appreciation for how the system works. The composition of budget legislation has always been this way, and to be sure, the President doing a veto of every budget legislation (for the principle you mention) would be regularly overriden and definitely diminish his influence. Choose your battles wisely. For the biggest impact. Save your political capital for the most important issues. Be smart. Not stupid.

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Originally posted by Metal Brain
It is sheer stupidity to ignore it. Nobody should vote for a bill cluttered with multiple issues when they don't like one or more of them. A bill should contain one issue at a time.
Until this happens idiots like you will claim he had to sign bad legislation to get this or that passed, while others will be blamed for NOT voting for a bill that contains ...[text shortened]... with poison pill legislation.

I'm glad you are not President. You have no common sense.
If you don't like pork barrel politics, vote for people who don't practise it.

Of course, that would require amending the Constitution to change to a parliamentary system with proportional representation.

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ridden?Originally posted by moon1969
Naive and stupid, respectfully. I am glad you are not advising the President. While you spout the words, you seem to have no appreciation for how the system works. The composition of budget legislation has always been this way, and to be sure, the President doing a veto of every budget legislation (for the principle you mention) would be regularl ...[text shortened]... gest impact. Save your political capital for the most important issues. Be smart. Not stupid.
Overridden????

Now you are just making stuff up. You are the one spouting nonsense, not me.
By all means, explain to me how Obama can be overridden.

Have you ever considered the possibility that things work this way to fool idiots like you into thinking your hero Obama is helpless and must keep things just the way they are? Do you think it is just coincidence that most of what GW Bush supported is kept as policy?

When are dem faith based sheep like you ever going to pull your heads out of your rears and see that the system works this way by design? It is no accident that little has changed since the "change you can believe in" candidate got elected.

Please, explain to me how he can be overridden. Show me how stupid I am.

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