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  1. 03 Aug '11 23:53
    Reince Priebus, who chairs the Republican National Committee, and Illinois GOP chair Pat Brady, also criticized Obama for what they said was a lack of leadership in the debt and deficit-cutting deal. They also resurrected Hillary Clinton’s argument in the 2008 Democratic primary that the “present” votes Obama cast as an Illinois state senator reflected a governing style of indecision.

    Good at campaigning, not so good at taking the lead, wish Marco Rubio would run against him...
  2. 04 Aug '11 01:23
    Originally posted by Hugh Glass
    Reince Priebus, who chairs the Republican National Committee, and Illinois GOP chair Pat Brady, also criticized Obama for what they said was a lack of leadership in the debt and deficit-cutting deal. They also resurrected Hillary Clinton’s argument in the 2008 Democratic primary that the “present” votes Obama cast as an Illinois state senator reflected a ...[text shortened]...
    Good at campaigning, not so good at taking the lead, wish Marco Rubio would run against him...
    Actually, he's doing about the best you can do when you have to negotiate with suicide bombers.
  3. Standard member sh76
    Civis Americanus Sum
    04 Aug '11 01:56
    Originally posted by Hugh Glass
    Reince Priebus, who chairs the Republican National Committee, and Illinois GOP chair Pat Brady, also criticized Obama for what they said was a lack of leadership in the debt and deficit-cutting deal. They also resurrected Hillary Clinton’s argument in the 2008 Democratic primary that the “present” votes Obama cast as an Illinois state senator reflected a ...[text shortened]...
    Good at campaigning, not so good at taking the lead, wish Marco Rubio would run against him...
    At this point, it's hard for me to imagine anyone seriously arguing that he's not in over his head. FWIW, I think he's doing his best and I think he's a reasonable and bright fellow. But he plainly does not have the political skills for this job right now. Maybe he needed more experience. Maybe he needs to be more of a hard-a**. I don't know. But he's caught halfway in everything he does and Boehner played him like a fiddle in this budget thing.
  4. 04 Aug '11 02:08
    Originally posted by Kunsoo
    Actually, he's doing about the best you can do when you have to negotiate with suicide bombers.
    ah, my Tea party.
    Lets keep this fact in mind, the Tea party was formed along the time Obama came along with his far left agenda. He totally ignored job creation, and dove head first into promoting a Health care plan that has done nothing, but hold back small business from hiring people. Had he reversed his order of priorities say managed to get unemploymen back into a respectable %, he may have made an impression on some people. But he chose the wrong path first.... I'm not sure he, or his many advisors have a clue in what to do next. They have an empty quiver now, and a paltry 40 % approval rating. he has lost the indepenents.
    Now I suppose you could jump on the band wagon, that the stimulus package has worked,, ala USA paratrooper, but 9.2 % is 9.2% no matter how you slice it...1.3 GDP is just that 1.3GDP ( note that figure will more than likely be down graded in a month.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-fsG4jLBmrs&feature=player_embedded

    here watch Marco Rubio hand John Kerry his ass on a platter.... and watch a future President of this country speak....
  5. 04 Aug '11 02:24
    Originally posted by Kunsoo
    Actually, he's doing about the best you can do when you have to negotiate with suicide bombers.
    "suicide bombers"????

    He was one of the suicide bombers. How anyone can seriously argue that the accumulation of debt under four previous Presidents, one a fellow Democrat, is bad, but this guy adds as much in one term as the others did in seven terms.

    I agree he is over his head, but not in regards to the recent negotiations. The winners were all the establishment politicians. They got the albatross of the debt ceiling off their heads, without really doing much of anything. The matter of debt, and overspending got kicked down the road, as usual.

    What anyone does about that, I can't say. It is clear that the nation is split apart with competing factions for government financial favor. Nobody cares about debt, not even their own, so who cares if the government is bankrupt as well.
  6. 04 Aug '11 02:30
    Balanced budget amendment, cut all aide in 1/2 right away, sorry but it's time to stand on your own feet people.
  7. 04 Aug '11 02:36 / 1 edit
    Originally posted by Hugh Glass
    Balanced budget amendment, cut all aide in 1/2 right away, sorry but it's time to stand on your own feet people.
    Kiss the ass of the wealthy and crap on everyone else.

    What a grand vsion you conservative anti American fools have.

    Don't worry, you'll get that darkie out of the White House soon enough.
  8. 04 Aug '11 02:47
    Nothing to do with his color..when was the last time you worked for a poor man?
    Hillary pegged it right when she said his many "present" votes spoke alot about his background. Either he didn't know enough about those bills, or he didn't care. Eithe way, he was not qualified for a job like this....
    Like a QB in the huddle of the big game, with no idea of what the play book says,, you lose everytime.. and he will. Unfortuneatly so do we, a long 4 years, and no progress made at all.
  9. 04 Aug '11 02:48
    He did hand it to Kerry. Since Kerry's not the brightest bulb that's not too difficult. The problem wuth Rubio is that he's a supply-sider. See below (taken from his web site:
    To create the environment for businesses all across Florida and our nation to create jobs, Senator Rubio believes we need to permanently extend the 2001 and 2003 tax cuts that will sunset in two years, cut corporate taxes, permanently end the Death Tax, end double taxation, reform the Alternative Minimum Tax and ensure that we do not pass a value-added tax. These pro-growth tax measures will spur job creation and build a more competitive economic environment to attract businesses across the world.

    That's a load of garbage and instead of helping our country improve it will just speed up our descent. As long as the republican party kow-tows to supply-side economics they will continue to be the party of losers. I left the party 11 years ago and will not return until they give up on their current faulty economic ideas. Cutting waste is fine but not taxing the rich higher is absurd - who are now paying the lowest level in percentages in many, many years. If we are to go back to the spending levels of years ago we should also go back to the tax rates of old.
  10. 04 Aug '11 02:56
    Originally posted by kbear1k
    He did hand it to Kerry. Since Kerry's not the brightest bulb that's not too difficult. The problem wuth Rubio is that he's a supply-sider. See below (taken from his web site:
    To create the environment for businesses all across Florida and our nation to create jobs, Senator Rubio believes we need to permanently extend the 2001 and 2003 tax cuts that will su ...[text shortened]... go back to the spending levels of years ago we should also go back to the tax rates of old.
    Can you give a single example of a long term success of soaking the rich and productive.
  11. 04 Aug '11 02:58 / 2 edits
    Originally posted by kbear1k
    He did hand it to Kerry. Since Kerry's not the brightest bulb that's not too difficult. The problem wuth Rubio is that he's a supply-sider. See below (taken from his web site:
    To create the environment for businesses all across Florida and our nation to create jobs, Senator Rubio believes we need to permanently extend the 2001 and 2003 tax cuts that will su go back to the spending levels of years ago we should also go back to the tax rates of old.
    Please mention how many americans pay no taxes at all...? Simple math will tell you taxing the rich, does not solve the problem...
    One has to reel in spending, just as any family would do if one or the other lost a job... a balance of spending cuts, and revenue intake. That intake would have been better by now, had we not chased he magic Healthcare bubble for a year, rather than throw a trillion dollar stimulus package out here for what we were told were "shovel ready" jobs... by he way, I did not laugh along with him, when that was brought up, did you? I mean WTF who did the planning on that one?
    You have to cut back somewhere, with 9.2% of our people unemployed...... can't spend like drunken sailors now. I say cut aide in 1/2 this year, sorry we can't do this anymore... next year we'll review aain, perhaps cut it all.
    get the hell out of the Mediteranian and stop paying 75 % of the NATO war.. good start hey? around 2-3 million per day,, you say tax the rich
    ,, then what?

    How close did we we come to having that bubble headed Kerry and cheater Edwards in tha office? I shudder to think where we would be today.. God bless George Bush, I miss him now...
  12. 04 Aug '11 03:11
    Granted, we need to cut spending (including foreign aide). We need to get most welfare folks doing some sort of work. However, the poorand much of the lower middle class cannot afford to pay taxes. Most of the folks in this nation can't afford to send their children to good schools and soom China will eat our lunch. WIth the tax rates of the rich getting lower and lower over the last 50 years the tax burden has fallen on the middle class making it increasingly less likely that they can send their kids to good colleges, making it less likely they can leave anything left behind to their kids as inheritance (since they have to sell their house for health care). Meanwhile, the rich corporate execs. send the jobs overseas which leads to cheaper products for american consumers...but most of the benefits end up in CEOs and directors pockets in the form of huge stock bonuses - very little ends up in the hands of the american worker. Corporate executives have no loyalty to the nation as a whole - they mostly care about their big bonuses. The best thing congress could do would be to break up all the large corporations. This would create lots of new jobs! It was done before - by a great man - Teddy Roosevelt - BTW - he was a true Republican - with a capital "R".
  13. 04 Aug '11 03:15
    "Can you give a single example of a long term success of soaking the rich and productive."
    No one is talking about "soaking the rich". Tax rates were much higher for the rich in the 50's, 60's, 70's, 80's, 90's - there were certainly some very good years back then. Money in the hands of the few does not "churn" in the economy leading to the situation we have today. Warren Buffet had it correct when he mentioned that giving $1000.00 to every family would do more good for the economy than the Bush era tax cuts!
  14. Subscriber AThousandYoung
    Poor Filipov :,(
    04 Aug '11 04:22
    Originally posted by normbenign
    Can you give a single example of a long term success of soaking the rich and productive.
    rich =/= productive
  15. 04 Aug '11 05:16
    Obama's political opponents have been openly scornful of the impact of two previous stimulus packages, which were accompanied by extraordinary measures by the Federal Reserve to kick-start the U.S. economy.

    "It seems we've thrown everything at it. We've had QE1 and QE2, Stimulus 1 and Stimulus 2, and the unemployment rate is still 9.2 percent," said John Makin, an economist at the American Enterprise Institute in Washington. "Maybe there are just not many options here at this point," he said.

    World stock markets shuddered after disappointing U.S. growth and manufacturing numbers and investors rushed to buy long-dated U.S. Treasury bonds in a move that suggests deep concerns about the economic outlook.

    Data on Friday is expected to confirm the U.S. unemployment rate remained stuck at 9.2 percent in July.

    Lawrence Summers, a top Obama adviser until last year, wrote in a Reuters column on Tuesday the odds of another U.S. recession were 1 in 3. Goldman Sachs has said a slight tick up in the unemployment rate could provide a strong recession signal.