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  1. Standard member sasquatch672
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    19 Jul '13 17:29
    More fun with Obamacare! This gets better every day!


    HHS Admits: You Might Not Be Able to Keep Your Doctor Under Obamacare

    Flashback: "If you've got a doctor that you like, you will be able to keep your doctor," Obama said.

    Jeryl Bier

    July 19, 2013 9:12 AM





    As Obamacare was being pushed through Congress in 2010, the Obama administration and its allies were unequivocal in two claims: If you like your doctor and you like your current health care plan, you can keep them both. HHS Secretary Kathleen Sibelius and then-House speaker Nancy Pelosi backed the president fully in this regard. The White House even went so far as to post a "Health Insurance Reform Reality Check" on its website, where "Linda Douglass of the White House Office of Health Reform debunks the myth that reform will force you out of your current insurance plan or force you to change doctors." President Obama upped the ante, putting the promise in the form of a "guarantee":




    THE PRESIDENT: Here is a guarantee that I've made. If you have insurance that you like, then you will be able to keep that insurance. If you've got a doctor that you like, you will be able to keep your doctor. Nobody is trying to change what works in the system. We are trying to change what doesn't work in the system.

    While there has been sniping back and forth between the administration and its detractors about the real-world application and implementation of Obamacare, the new Healthcare.gov website has taken some of the mystery out of the controversy. And President Obama and his administration do not fare well in this latest "reality check." Among the questions that HHS recently added to the website: "Can I keep my own doctor?":



    "Depending on the plan you choose in the Marketplace, you may be able to keep your current doctor." The bottom line is that Obamacare guarantees neither. Doctors may be only available through certain networks, just as in the current system. And only plans that existed in their current form on March 23, 2010, are even eligible to be "kept." The vast majority of plans will be new, subject to a raft of new regulations, requirements, and restrictions.

    Now that Health and Human Services has confirmed that the suspicions of Obamacare opponents were justified, the Obama administration will have some explaining to do to friends and foes of the law alike. Because now everyone is finding out "what's in it."
  2. Subscriber Sleepyguy
    Reepy Rastardly Guy
    19 Jul '13 18:49 / 1 edit
    Originally posted by sasquatch672
    More fun with Obamacare! This gets better every day!


    HHS Admits: You Might Not Be Able to Keep Your Doctor Under Obamacare

    Flashback: "If you've got a doctor that you like, you will be able to keep your doctor," Obama said.

    Jeryl Bier

    July 19, 2013 9:12 AM





    As Obamacare was being pushed through Congress in 2010, the Obama admi oes of the law alike. Because now everyone is finding out "what's in it."
    The Liar in Chief strikes again. Soon it will be: "Your doctor was a capitalist pig who wanted to amputate your feet to pay for his private jet. You're going to love your new doctor."
  3. 19 Jul '13 18:51
    Originally posted by Sleepyguy
    The Liar in Chief strikes again. Soon it will be: "Your doctor was a capitalist pig who wanted to amputate your feet to pay for his private jet. You're going to love your new doctor."
    Four Legs Good, Two Legs Bad.

    Four Legs Good, Two Legs better!
  4. 19 Jul '13 23:42
    Obama says that we need a single payer system. He even put up his hands so that everyone could see his fingers were not crossed when he promoted the plan.

    I say this could be the first time he has told the truth in his entire life.
  5. 20 Jul '13 02:49
    Originally posted by Sleepyguy
    The Liar in Chief strikes again. Soon it will be: "Your doctor was a capitalist pig who wanted to amputate your feet to pay for his private jet. You're going to love your new doctor."
    Conservatives understand economic principles well enough to have known Obama was speaking falsely when he said this.

    We also knew that Obamacare would not lower health care costs.

    And we knew that Obamacare would cause businesses to cut jobs.

    Conservatives have been vindicated in many ways, but we'll still be mocked by the same people that believed the lies then and will be believing the next set of lies. Unfortunately, these people are not likely to re-examine their world view in any way.
  6. 20 Jul '13 04:20
    Originally posted by techsouth
    Conservatives understand economic principles well enough to have known Obama was speaking falsely when he said this.

    We also knew that Obamacare would not lower health care costs.

    And we knew that Obamacare would cause businesses to cut jobs.

    Conservatives have been vindicated in many ways, but we'll still be mocked by the same people that believe ...[text shortened]... of lies. Unfortunately, these people are not likely to re-examine their world view in any way.
    The free market will take the blame. After all, they knew businesses would try to opt for part time workers over full time workers to avoid the mandate. Then when they do, all that needs to be done is step back and point the finger at "the man" and say that the private sector is the problem.

    Likewise, the government will point to the rising health care costs and blame the private sector once again, even though the government created the current system under Obamacare with all its mandates.
  7. 20 Jul '13 12:40 / 1 edit
    Originally posted by whodey
    The free market will take the blame. After all, they knew businesses would try to opt for part time workers over full time workers to avoid the mandate. Then when they do, all that needs to be done is step back and point the finger at "the man" and say that the private sector is the problem.

    Likewise, the government will point to the rising health care c ...[text shortened]... , even though the government created the current system under Obamacare with all its mandates.
    Indeed. No matter how much of a mess the liberals create, they always blame conservatives. And economics is complicated enough that it will seem plausible to many of them.

    In the case of Obamacare it follows a familiar pattern....

    1. Take away freedom (e.g. employers cannot hire without offering full benefits)
    2. Debate (e.g. conservatives claim it will cause people to lose jobs, liberals say it will create jobs)
    3. Observe (e.g. business slow down hiring and cut existing staff)
    4. Blame (e.g. it's the business' fault. We let them keep too much freedom and they're not using that freedom the way we want).
    5. Repeat (e.g. take away more freedom)
  8. 22 Jul '13 02:32
    Originally posted by techsouth
    Conservatives understand economic principles well enough to have known Obama was speaking falsely when he said this.

    We also knew that Obamacare would not lower health care costs.

    And we knew that Obamacare would cause businesses to cut jobs.

    Conservatives have been vindicated in many ways, but we'll still be mocked by the same people that believe ...[text shortened]... of lies. Unfortunately, these people are not likely to re-examine their world view in any way.
    The problem is that were are quite far down the road to a total single payer system, and the changes that happen now, will inevitably be blamed on the dying carcass of the free market system.

    Medicare and Medicaid are fundamentally single payer plans, with deductibles and exclusions. They are rife with the lack of consumer restraint, and fraud which comes as part of the moral hazard of such systems. Besides that, the union contract generated Cadillac medical plans that covered virtually everything with no deductible, gave the illusion that good medical care was free, or could be.

    The pathway to central planning fulfilment always involves carving off segments of the market a bit at a time. Those favored are then enlisted to carve off the next layer. Always any failure is blamed on the remaining free market rather than on the central planning. Obama care carved of the insurance industry, by promising them a windfall due to forced participation in the plan. When it fails, those insurance companies stand to be the scapegoats.

    There is never a fair evaluation of the results of the previous deformation, only blame to explain the predictable failure of the central planning notion.