12 Jun 10
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June 10, 2010
Obama and the Trouble With Voting 'Present'
Weak and radical, the president looks more like Jimmy Carter all the time.
By KARL ROVE
When Barack Obama announced he was running for president in February 2007, Nathan Gonzales of the Rothenberg Political Report wrote "Obama's history of voting 'present'" in Springfield, Ill.—even on some of the most controversial and politically explosive issues . . . raises questions . . . Voting 'present' is one of the three options in the Illinois Legislature (along with 'yes' and 'no'😉 but it's almost never an option for the occupant of the Oval Office."
Mr. Gonzales's words were prescient. Barack Obama may now be president, but at times he appears to be merely present. That has been the case with his response to the environmental catastrophe unfolding in the Gulf of Mexico. The president was late recognizing the disaster's magnitude, late in visiting the region, late in approving requests by Louisiana Gov. Bobby Jindal, and late in feigning outrage. He has never offered an independent plan to stop the leak.
Mr. Obama also seems disinterested in hearing from experts about the spill. The White House's "Deep Water Horizon Response Timeline" doesn't list a single meeting between Mr. Obama and industry experts, though he did send Energy Secretary Steven Chu and others to Houston May 12 to meet with BP and others.
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12 Jun 10
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Originally posted by zeeblebot.............yeah he likes to actively push agenda's that requires the doctoring of primary evidence by others to get the support his ilk's ideologies require......
by your old buddy Karl Rove.
[edit] as opposed to being passive and just being present. I thought being present was the very art of being Presidential
13 Jun 10
Originally posted by zeeblebotThere's a certain sense of poetic justice in Obama being blamed for a disaster in the Gulf that's not his fault after the way they went after Bush for Katrina, which wasn't his fault. But really, what is Obama supposed to do about the BP spill? Is being outraged going to make one iota of difference in how much oil leaks or how may fish die? Is Obama supposed to automatically rubber stamp everything Jindal wants because he's governor of LA?
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June 10, 2010
Obama and the Trouble With Voting 'Present'
Weak and radical, the president looks more like Jimmy Carter all the time.
By KARL ROVE
When Barack Obama announced he was running for president in Februa ...[text shortened]... Steven Chu and others to Houston May 12 to meet with BP and others.
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Sometimes no reaction (or little reaction) is better than an overreaction.
13 Jun 10
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Originally posted by sh76While there is the obvious natural(?) disaster connection, I think the Katrina situation was quite different from the BP spill today. Katrina and the following few weeks were immediate threats to the lives of a great number of people. The response needed to be fast and full-on.
There's a certain sense of poetic justice in Obama being blamed for a disaster in the Gulf that's not his fault after the way they went after Bush for Katrina, which wasn't his fault. But really, what is Obama supposed to do about the BP spill? Is being outraged going to make one iota of difference in how much oil leaks or how may fish die? Is Obama supposed to overnor of LA?
Sometimes no reaction (or little reaction) is better than an overreaction.
The BP disaster is different. People's lives don't hang in the balance. Certainly the livelihoods of many people do, and the impact of the spill on the environment is hard to overestimate, but as of now it seems that there is little to be done except to keep going back to the drawing board and try to contain the effects. A measured response is called for. Plus think of how all the populists would go nuts if we "bailed out" BP by sending in the government to clean up the mess.
13 Jun 10
Originally posted by kmax87Impressionist.
.............yeah he likes to [b]actively push agenda's that requires the doctoring of primary evidence by others to get the support his ilk's ideologies require......
[edit] as opposed to being passive and just being present. I thought being present was the very art of being Presidential[/b]
13 Jun 10
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Originally posted by sh76Poetic justice requires some semblance of symmetry. Of course Bush wasn't to blame for Katrina. But he was - institutionally speaking - "to blame" for the woeful federal response to the mass deaths, mass homelessness and the virtual obliteration of a major American city. Of course - likewise - Obama was not to blame for the BP spill. But as even you you yourself say: "But really, what is Obama supposed to do about the BP spill? [...] Sometimes no reaction (or little reaction) is better than an overreaction." No symmetry. So no poetry I'm afraid.
There's a certain sense of poetic justice in Obama being blamed for a disaster in the Gulf that's not his fault after the way they went after Bush for Katrina, which wasn't his fault.
13 Jun 10
Originally posted by telerionyeah, it is different, because Katrina was primarily the responsibility of the Democratic state authorities, and the BP well is primarily the responsibility of the Democratic federal authorities. the BP well is OFFSHORE.
While there is the obvious natural(?) disaster connection, I think the Katrina situation was quite different from the BP spill today. Katrina and the following few weeks were immediate threats to the lives of a great number of people. The response needed to be fast and full-on.
The BP disaster is different. People's lives don't hang in the balance. ...[text shortened]... lists would go nuts if we "bailed out" BP by sending in the government to clean up the mess.
13 Jun 10
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Originally posted by zeeblebotDoes he grow peanuts as well?
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June 10, 2010
Obama and the Trouble With Voting 'Present'
Weak and radical, the president looks more like Jimmy Carter all the time.
By KARL ROVE
When Barack Obama announced he was running for president in Februa Steven Chu and others to Houston May 12 to meet with BP and others.
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13 Jun 10
Originally posted by FMFThe federal response to both Katrina and the BP disaster are simply indications of the brokeness of the federal government as is the recent immigration law within Arizona.
Poetic justice requires some semblance of symmetry. Of course Bush wasn't to blame for Katrina. But he was - institutionally speaking - "to blame" for the woeful federal response to the mass deaths, mass homelessness and the virtual obliteration of a major American city. Of course - likewise - Obama was not to blame for the BP spill. But as even you you y ...[text shortened]... or little reaction) is better than an overreaction." No symmetry. So no poetry I'm afraid.
13 Jun 10
Originally posted by whodeywhile you're there why don't you include the breakdown in societal values, the rise in obesity/violent crime/sexual dysfunction/divorce rate/heart disease....in short why not blame the Federal Government for the engineered collapse of the USA???
The federal response to both Katrina and the BP disaster are simply indications of the brokeness of the federal government as is the recent immigration law within Arizona.
13 Jun 10
Originally posted by whodeyI guess you told us so, eh? A week or two ago you were warning that if Obama and the Federal Government came to the assistance of BP it would be the direct result of corruption and therefore an indication of the brokeness of the system. Now you are suggesting that Obama and the Federal Government not coming to the assistance of BP adequately is an indication of the brokeness of the system. Trademark janus commentary from whodey.
The federal response to both Katrina and the BP disaster are simply indications of the brokeness of the federal government as is the recent immigration law within Arizona.