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  1. Standard member RJHinds
    The Near Genius
    12 Jul '15 19:08
    Why Does The Department Of Homeland Security Need 450 MILLION Hollow Point Bullets?

    By Michael Snyder, on March 28th, 2012

    ATK announced that it is being awarded an Indefinite Delivery/Indefinite Quantity (IDIQ) agreement from the Department of Homeland Security, U.S. Immigration and Customs Enforcement (DHS, ICE) for .40 caliber ammunition. This contract features a base of 12 months, includes four option years, and will have a maximum volume of 450 million rounds.

    ATK was the incumbent and won the contract with its HST bullet, which has proven itself in the field. The special hollow point effectively passes through a variety of barriers and holds its jacket in the toughest conditions.

    We’ve also learned that the Department has an open bid for a stockpile of rifle ammo. Listed on the federal business opportunities network, they’re looking for up to 175 million rounds of .233 caliber ammo to be exact. The 223 is almost exactly the same round used by NATO forces, the 5.56 x 45mm.

    Business Insider is also reporting that the Department of Homeland Security is seeking to buy 175 million rifle ammunition rounds…

    "We’ve also learned that the Department has an open bid for a stockpile of rifle ammo. Listed on the federal business opportunities network, they’re looking for up to 175 million rounds of .233 caliber ammo to be exact. The 223 is almost exactly the same round used by NATO forces, the 5.56 x 45mm."

    http://endoftheamericandream.com/archives/why-does-the-department-of-homeland-security-need-450-million-hollow-point-bullets

    So, Why did the DHS Buy all that Ammo?

    11/02/12 | by Brad Kozak

    Awhile back, the American media reported several, often disparate, stories about Federal agencies stocking up on ammo. Now when the Army makes a big ammo purchase, nobody blinks an eye, but when the Social Security Administration, the National Oceanographic and the Atmospheric Administration’s National Weather Service make big buys, you might want to stop and ask “why”?

    The National Weather Service ordered about 46,000 rounds of .40 S&W JHPs. The Social Security Administration put in an order for 174,000 rounds of .357 Sig JHPs. On top of that, the DHS buy order was for about 40,000,000 rounds of .40 S&W JHPs.

    The government wasn’t much help in getting to the truth. The first story we heard was “this is just practice ammo for our security force and field investigators.” Um…really? Look, I know that the Feds are famous for treating our tax dollars as if it’s a limitless resource, but using jacketed hollow points for practice is like buying 64GB iPads and throwing them away because they need to be recharged. JHPs can run over $1/round, even if you don’t buy the cheap stuff. Roundball practice ammo comes a lot cheaper – Walmart sells Winchester “White Box” FMJs for less than $33/per box of 100 rounds. Do the math. Who in their right mind is going to practice with FMJs, when roundball (or wadcutters for that matter) are so much cheaper?

    The next rationale Uncle Sam offered was that this was a clerical error, and that the ammo was not destined for the National Weather Service. Oddly enough, that wasn’t comforting, as they didn’t fill us in on for whom the ammo was actually purchased.

    http://www.guns.com/2012/11/02/dhs-stockpile-ammunition/

    If ‘Assault Weapons’ Are Bad…Why Does DHS Want to Buy 7,000 of Them for ‘Personal Defense’?

    Jan. 26, 2013 2:30pm Jason Howerton

    The Department of Homeland Security is seeking to acquire 7,000 5.56x45mm NATO “personal defense weapons” (PDW) — also known as “assault weapons” when owned by civilians. The solicitation, originally posted on June 7, 2012, comes to light as the Obama administration is calling for a ban on semi-automatic rifles and high capacity magazines.


    http://www.theblaze.com/stories/2013/01/26/if-assault-weapons-are-bad-why-does-the-dhs-want-to-buy-7000-of-them-for-personal-defense/

    J. FARAH: Why is government stockpiling guns, ammo?

    Exclusive: Joseph Farah examines Obama's plan for 'civilian national security force'
    Published: 02/03/2013 at 3:01 PM

    Is the U.S. government getting ready for a war we don’t know about?

    And, if that’s why Washington is stockpiling massive amounts of ammunition (hollow points, by the way), why is Homeland Security doing the buying instead of the Defense Department?

    Many of you will remember a story I broke a long time ago – about presidential candidate Barack Obama’s little-noticed announcement that, if elected in 2008, he wanted to create a “civilian national security force” as big, as strong and as well-funded as the Defense Department.

    http://www.wnd.com/2013/02/why-is-government-stockpiling-guns-ammo/#!
  2. 12 Jul '15 19:39
    How is he going to transform America with the guns to do it with?
  3. Standard member RJHinds
    The Near Genius
    12 Jul '15 20:09
    Originally posted by Eladar
    How is he going to transform America with the guns to do it with?
    I don't know. But have you heard the rumors that Obama is making plans so he can postpone the the coming elections indefinitely, so he can stay in office as the Emperor of America?
  4. 12 Jul '15 20:29
    Originally posted by RJHinds
    I don't know. But have you heard the rumors that Obama is making plans so he can postpone the the coming elections indefinitely, so he can stay in office as the Emperor of America?
    I think I heard rumors about GW doing the same.

    No need though, the next candidate will just pick up where Obama left off. The people funding these elections fund both sides.
  5. Standard member RJHinds
    The Near Genius
    12 Jul '15 20:33
    Originally posted by Eladar
    I think I heard rumors about GW doing the same.

    No need though, the next candidate will just pick up where Obama left off. The people funding these elections fund both sides.
    The following occurred just before the 2012 elections:
    Press Corps to Spokeskid Carney: Can the President Postpone the Election?
    October 29, 2012

    RUSH: So Jay Carney, White House press secretary, just got some questions from the Drive-By Media. The White House press corps was asking Jay Carney if Obama might postpone Election Day because of Hurricane Sandy. And Jay Carney had no comment. Question: "Jay, some of the utilities are saying that the power is going to be out in some areas for up to ten days. That would obviously include Election Day. Is there any contingency planning to alter the Election Day schedule because of this?"

    Jay Carney said, "I think that is not something I'm able to address."

    Question: "Would the president have the power to adjust Election Day?"

    Mr. Carney: "I don't know the answer to that question. I think you're getting way ahead of yourself here."

    http://www.rushlimbaugh.com/daily/2012/10/29/press_corps_to_spokeskid_carney_can_the_president_postpone_the_election
  6. Standard member RJHinds
    The Near Genius
    12 Jul '15 20:42 / 1 edit
    Here is a more recent report:
    Ben Carson: Can Obama use martial law to keep White House post 2016

    by James Richard Edwards - Jan 19, 2015

    SAN ANTONIO, December 14, 2014 — Dr. Ben Carson, a black neurosurgeon and likely 2016 Republican presidential candidate, has repeatedly stated that he believes there is a chance that the 2016 elections may not be held at all. Widespread anarchy gripping the country could be reason enough for the Obama administration to announce the implementation of martial law and the suspension of some, if not all, of Americans’ constitutionally protected rights — including the right to vote and hold national elections.

    On the surface this seems unbelievable, but upon further analysis, Carson’s ominous suggestion is plausible; this is an extremely unnerving scenario that all Americans should be aware of and ready for. The Obama administration has very quietly and subtly done many inexplicable things that could very well be precursors to the suspension of some, if not all, of Americans’ constitutionally protected civil rights.

    Carson went on liberal radio host Alan Colmes’ radio show and the discussion eventually came to whether or not Dr. Carson plans to run for president in 2016. He said that there may not even be elections in 2016; when pressed to explain further, Carson said, “If in fact we continue to have all these decrees being made the way they’re being made, if in fact we don’t fight the kind of war that needs to be fought in order to really put an end to the threat that is brought on by ISIS, if we continue along a pathway of financial irresponsibility, if we continue along a path of envy, greed, and hatred — what happened with Occupy Wall Street will be a cakewalk compared to what will begin to happen in this country.”

    When Colmes pushed Carson further on the possibility of cancelled or postponed elections, Carson responded, “I don’t want to find out, I really don’t want to find out. I don’t want to continue down this pathway that we are going down. This pathway where everything is framed in a political sense and our representatives are not working for the people, they’re working for their party.”

    If anyone believes this idea is far fetched, please consider the numerous emergencies that Obama has put America in position to experience in the next two years — possibly with more than one of these issues occurring simultaneously: the Ebola virus and its associated mandatory quarantine may continue to spread due to Obama’s pitiful prophylactic and responsive actions; our $18 trillion and counting government debt could finally cause the government spending bubble — the only thing propping up our economy — to pop, leading to all government spending halting overnight and the massive associated riots that would occur due to welfare, EBT and Medicaid/Medicare cards ceasing to work; and, the threat of Islamic terrorism and specifically ISIS, whose unmatched funding, training and brutality could fulfill their leaders’ promise to shed the blood of millions of Americans.

    Additionally, Obama’s choice not to sufficiently secure the border must be taken into consideration with all of these possible emergencies, as open access to our country could only increase the liklihood of all three possible emergencies.

    Never in the history of our country have we faced so many destructive threats at the same time. America has also never had leadership that has failed to competently handle every single threat facing our country. If Obama isn’t one of the most inept people to ever hold elected office, then his actions must be calculated to produce these results.

    Obama knows he is unpopular with the military, therefore, he has had to find a different way to institute martial law — and that is through a “civilian national security force.” On July 2, 2008 at a campaign stop, Obama made the following unscripted statement: “We cannot continue to rely on our military in order to achieve the national security objectives we’ve set. We’ve got to have a civilian national security force that’s just as powerful, just as strong, just as well-funded.”

    Another worrying issue is that Obama has militarized almost every federal agency. In September of 2013, 70 federal agents in full body armor, carrying M-16s raided one person’s gold mining operation in a tiny Alaska town. They were from the Environmental Protection Agency looking for violations of the Clean Air Act.

    After this incident it was found that Obama had created law enforcement branches in over 70 federal agencies. It is estimated that there are over 120,000 law enforcement agents in the federal government who are not part of traditional law enforcement branches — CIA, FBI, DEA, ATF, DHS, DOJ, and Treasury Dept.

    These law enforcement branches Obama has created are not comprised of just one or two security guards. Obama has armed these agencies to the teeth. Maj. General Jerry Curry, a 40 year, decorated, military veteran, wrote an op-ed for The Daily Caller pointing out how, in addition to the National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administrations’ purchase of 46,000 hollow point bullets, the Social Security Administration (SSA) bought 174,000 hollow point bullets.

    In reaction to these purchases, Maj. Gen. Curry said, “Hollow point bullets are so lethal that the Geneva Convention does not allow their use on the battlefield in time of war. Hollow point bullets don’t just stop or hurt people, they penetrate the body, spread out, fragment and cause maximum damage to the body’s organs. Death often follows. Potentially each hollow nose bullet represents a dead American. If so, why would the U.S. government want the SSA to kill 174,000 of our citizens, even during a time of civil unrest? Or is the purpose to kill 174,000 of the nation’s military and replace them with Department of Homeland Security (DHS) special security forces, forces loyal to the Administration, not to the Constitution?”

    Curry goes on, “In the war in Iraq, our military forces expended approximately 70 million rounds per year. In March (of 2012) DHS ordered 750 million rounds of hollow point ammunition. It then turned around and ordered an additional 750 million rounds of miscellaneous bullets including some that are capable of penetrating walls. This is enough ammunition to empty five rounds into the body of every living American citizen.”

    Let’s pray that none of these matters fully materialize and Dr. Carson’s ominous suggestion becomes nothing but an afterthought. However, those who understand Obama know not to put anything beyond his desire to, in Obama’s own words, “fundamentally transform America.”

    http://www.commdiginews.com/politics-2/ben-carson-might-obama-cancel-the-2016-election-28523/
  7. Standard member RJHinds
    The Near Genius
    12 Jul '15 21:51
    I think this guy is funny.

    Obama for a 3rd Term -- "Can You Say Dictator"

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WcNHVPa3d-Q
  8. 13 Jul '15 04:40
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0hp8xt-6-r8
  9. 13 Jul '15 05:59

    Why Does The Department Of Homeland Security Need 450 MILLION Hollow Point Bullets?

    Why did the DHS Buy all that Ammo?

    Why is government stockpiling guns, ammo?


    Because people working in the arms industry bribed some politicians who arranged for the purchase of armaments no one needs.

    Can the President Postpone the Election?

    Can Obama use martial law to keep White House post 2016


    No.
  10. Standard member RJHinds
    The Near Genius
    13 Jul '15 06:00 / 2 edits
    Originally posted by MoneyManMike
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0hp8xt-6-r8
    That is interesting, but I don't believe Obama meant for his Civilian National Security Force to be unarmed volunteers, but to be well armed and paid for by our tax dollars.
  11. Standard member RJHinds
    The Near Genius
    13 Jul '15 06:03
    Originally posted by KazetNagorra

    Why Does The Department Of Homeland Security Need 450 MILLION Hollow Point Bullets?

    Why did the DHS Buy all that Ammo?

    Why is government stockpiling guns, ammo?


    Because people working in the arms industry bribed some politicians who arranged for the purchase of armaments no one needs.

    Can the President Postpone the Election?

    Can Obama use martial law to keep White House post 2016


    No.
    I hope he doesn't try it.
  12. 13 Jul '15 06:58
    Originally posted by RJHinds
    I hope he doesn't try it.
    If you think that is a realistic threat I recommend you ask the nurse to increase the dosage.
  13. Subscriber no1marauder
    It's Nice to Be Nice
    13 Jul '15 14:01
    Originally posted by RJHinds
    That is interesting, but I don't believe Obama meant for his Civilian National Security Force to be unarmed volunteers, but to be well armed and paid for by our tax dollars.
    Well you'd be wrong:

    And that's why as president, I will expand AmeriCorps to 250,000 slots and make that increased service a vehicle to meet national goals like providing health care and education, saving our planet and restoring our standing in the world, so that citizens see their efforts connected to a common purpose. People of all ages, stations, and skills will be asked to serve. Because when it comes to the challenges we face, the American people are not the problem -- they are the answer.

    So we are going to send -- we're going to send more college graduates to teach and mentor our young people. We'll call on Americans to join an Energy Corps to conduct renewable energy and environmental cleanup projects in their neighborhoods all across the country. We will enlist our veterans to find jobs and support for other vets, and to be there for our military families. And we're going to grow our Foreign Service, open consulates that have been shuttered, and double the size of the Peace Corps by 2011 to renew our diplomacy.

    We cannot continue to rely only on our military in order to achieve the national security objectives that we've set. We've got to have a civilian national security force that's just as powerful, just as strong, just as well-funded. [YouTube, 7/2/08]

    http://mediamatters.org/research/2011/05/24/ailes-and-beck-agree-on-lunatic-civilian-nation/179965
  14. Subscriber no1marauder
    It's Nice to Be Nice
    13 Jul '15 14:14 / 2 edits
    Originally posted by RJHinds
    Here is a more recent report:
    [quote] [b]Ben Carson: Can Obama use martial law to keep White House post 2016


    by James Richard Edwards - Jan 19, 2015

    SAN ANTONIO, December 14, 2014 — Dr. Ben Carson, a black neurosurgeon and likely 2016 Republican presidential candidate, has repeatedly stated that he believes there is a chance that the 2016 elect ...[text shortened]... ]
    http://www.commdiginews.com/politics-2/ben-carson-might-obama-cancel-the-2016-election-28523/[/b]
    An article debunking the ammo scare from, of all people, the NRA:

    You may recently have seen some in the Internet rumor mill feverishly repeating the obvious truth above, in an effort to stir up fear about recent acquisitions of ammunition by the Department of Homeland Security and a number of smaller agencies. The mildest writers have questioned why seemingly mundane agencies would need ammunition at all; more incendiary authors suggest that these government agencies are preparing for a war with the American people.

    Much of the concern stems from a lack of understanding of the law enforcement functions carried about by officers in small federal agencies. These agents have the power to make arrests and execute warrants, just like their better-known counterparts at agencies like the FBI.

    For instance, the Social Security Administration solicited offers for 174,000 rounds of pistol ammunition. But the agency has 295 special agents who combat Social Security fraud that costs tax payers billions each year, so the order works out to roughly 590 rounds of ammunition per agent for training, mandatory quarterly qualification shooting and duty use. More than a few NRA members would use that much ammunition in a weekend shooting class or plinking session.

    Another recent rumor questioned a request for 46,000 rounds of.40-caliber ammo by the National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration. NOAA inadvertently fueled that speculation through a clerical error that suggested the ammunition was destined for the National Weather Service. NOAA later clarified that the ammunition was actually for the little known Fisheries Office of Law Enforcement, which enforces laws against illegal fishing and marine life importation. The ammunition is for 63 personnel, amounting to about 730 rounds per officer.

    The most widespread of the recent rumors involves a Department of Homeland Security contract for a maximum of 450 million rounds of .40-caliber jacketed hollow-points, to be supplied over the next five years.

    After receiving numerous questions from his constituents regarding the contract, pro-Second Amendment U.S. Rep. Lynn Westmoreland (R-Ga.) and his staff set out in search of the truth. In a press release, Rep. Westmoreland's office explains:

    If you take the number of agencies that will be using this ammunition – CBP, Citizenship and Immigration Services, the Federal Emergency Management Agency (FEMA), ICE, the U.S. Secret Service, Transportation Security Administration, the DHS police force, and all the guards that protect the various buildings these agencies are housed in, and spread that out over 5 years, you start to see that 450 million rounds really isn't that large of an order. Especially considering it is used for training purposes like firing range and live fire exercises, on-the-job use (though that is very limited), and to shore up their supplies. In fact, there are 65,000 – 70,000 law enforcement personnel at DHS who would be covered under this … ammunition contract. If DHS were to purchase all 450 million rounds over 5 years, then that would equate to only about 1,384 rounds of ammo per year per law enforcement [officer] … assuming the lower estimate of only 65,000 law enforcement personnel at DHS. Considering those agents go through training exercises several times per year, that is not a lot of ammunition.

    Perhaps most strangely, some have cited the purchase of hollow-point ammunition as evidence of the federal government's evil motives. Hollow-points are the defensive ammunition of choice for federal, state and local law enforcement officers across the country, just as they are for private citizens. These attacks are eerily similar to statements made by gun prohibitionists, who spent the much of the '70s, '80s and '90s complaining about "dum dum" bullets. (In fact, the Violence Policy Center's website still exhibits a publication lamenting that federal ammunition law "has no effect on today's generation of high-tech hollow-point ammunition." The attacks also ignore the fact that federal agents, unlike average taxpayers on more limited budgets, normally train and qualify with their duty ammunition.

    https://www.nraila.org/articles/20120817/federal-law-enforcement-agencies-buy-ammunition

    EDIT: Of course, the "libs" are going to claim that because the NRA is really just a lobbying arm of the gun industry that makes a lot of money selling ammo naturally they'd be A-OK with orders for hundreds of million rounds of ammo but real Americans who know that the NRA is solely concerned with protecting the sacred 2nd Amendment rights of us all so that we can defend ourselves from government tyranny would laugh at such a foolish claim.
  15. Standard member RJHinds
    The Near Genius
    13 Jul '15 20:17 / 1 edit
    Originally posted by no1marauder
    Well you'd be wrong:

    And that's why as president, I will expand AmeriCorps to 250,000 slots and make that increased service a vehicle to meet national goals like providing health care and education, saving our planet and restoring our standing in the world, so that citizens see their efforts connected to a common purpose. People of all ages, stations, ...[text shortened]... tp://mediamatters.org/research/2011/05/24/ailes-and-beck-agree-on-lunatic-civilian-nation/179965
    If I am wrong, then explain to me how Obama's civilian national security force could be just as powerful and just as strong as the military, as he stated, without being armed with military type weapons?