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  1. 01 Jan '10 18:32
    http://www.noaanews.noaa.gov/stories2009/20091217_volcano2.html

    This is a pretty good article about what is going on under the sea. A few years back, fishing off the coast of oregon, we were hooking in to tuna, that normally are 100 miles out. The ocean currents were all screwed up. Spanish mackeral, that normally stay in the california region, where here. A bunch of jelly fish.
    The following year, the salmon about disappeared. They were too far out for a small boat.
    Anyway, it's interesting to contemplate the effects of what is going on out of our sight.
  2. 01 Jan '10 23:25
    no time to read this link but i saw a story last night that said scientists previously thought volcanoes under the arctic ice cap were impossible due to pressure, etc., but now they've found them.


    byyyyyeeeee
  3. 02 Jan '10 02:03
    it's easy enough to chart ocean temperatures though? When we were fishing, we looked at the water temps all the time.
  4. Subscriber FMF
    a.k.a. John W Booth
    02 Jan '10 02:28 / 9 edits
    In the interests of triggering a debate, I'm going to come right out and say that I am staunchly against ocean volcanoes.
  5. 02 Jan '10 02:57
    Originally posted by zeeblebot
    no time to read this link but i saw a story last night that said scientists previously thought volcanoes under the arctic ice cap were impossible due to pressure, etc., but now they've found them.


    byyyyyeeeee
    No time to read the link? Of course not, you've already formed your conclusions so why bother reading anything!

    I'd be VERY interested if you could find an example of scientists saying that volcanoes couldn't exist below the arctic ice cap because of "pressure etc." Perhaps you got confused between volcanoes and volcanic eruptions? I wouldn't put it past you.
  6. 02 Jan '10 02:58
    What's the premise of this debate?
  7. 02 Jan '10 03:42 / 1 edit
    Originally posted by FMF
    In the interests of triggering a debate, I'm going to come right out and say that I am staunchly against ocean volcanoes.
    Let me guess why. Is it because you wish them to spew their CO2 into the atmosphere, thus, increasing global warming so that you can blame it all on fossil fuels and cows passing gas? We just can't implement those carbon taxes soon enough ya know.

    Just a guess.
  8. 02 Jan '10 07:32
    Originally posted by mrstabby
    No time to read the link? Of course not, you've already formed your conclusions so why bother reading anything!

    I'd be VERY interested if you could find an example of scientists saying that volcanoes couldn't exist below the arctic ice cap because of "pressure etc." Perhaps you got confused between volcanoes and volcanic eruptions? I wouldn't put it past you.
    no time to read the link because i was headed out the door.

    if you want to define the times at which i post to the forums, you'll need to pay me contractor rates. plus a percentage charged to obnoxious customers.
  9. 02 Jan '10 07:42 / 1 edit
    Originally posted by mrstabby
    No time to read the link? Of course not, you've already formed your conclusions so why bother reading anything!

    I'd be VERY interested if you could find an example of scientists saying that volcanoes couldn't exist below the arctic ice cap because of "pressure etc." Perhaps you got confused between volcanoes and volcanic eruptions? I wouldn't put it past you.
    you could've done this for yourself, maybe ....

    watch and learn, grasshopper ...

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    http://www.google.com/search?q=arctic%20volcanoes%20subsea&hl=en&ned=us&tab=nw

    http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2008/06/080625140649.htm

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    Fire Under Arctic Ice: Volcanoes Have Been Blowing Their Tops In The Deep Ocean

    ScienceDaily (June 26, 2008) — A research team led by the Woods Hole Oceanographic Institution (WHOI) has uncovered evidence of explosive volcanic eruptions deep beneath the ice-covered surface of the Arctic Ocean. Such violent eruptions of splintered, fragmented rock--known as pyroclastic deposits -- were not thought possible at great ocean depths because of the intense weight and pressure of water and because of the composition of seafloor magma and rock.

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  10. 02 Jan '10 07:45
    Originally posted by zeeblebot
    you could've done this for yourself, maybe ....

    watch and learn, grasshopper ...

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    http://www.google.com/search?q=arctic%20volcanoes%20subsea&hl=en&ned=us&tab=nw

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    Fire Under Arctic Ice: Volcanoes Have Been Blowing Their ...[text shortened]... weight and pressure of water and because of the composition of seafloor magma and rock.

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    One reason is the tremendous pressure exerted by the weight of seawater, known as hydrostatic pressure. More importantly, it is very difficult to build up the amount of steam and carbon dioxide gas in the magma that would be required to explode a mass of rock up into the water column. (Far less energy is needed to do so in air.) In fact, the buildup of CO2 in magma in the sea crust would have to be ten times higher than anyone has ever observed in seafloor samples.

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  11. 02 Jan '10 08:01
    http://article.wn.com/view/2009/12/18/Deepest_volcano_caught_on_Pacific_Ocean_video/

    Staunchly against what part FMF, that they contribute to global er climate change,, or you hate the thought of them, because there are so many under water in the Pacific ocean, and a tsnuami could result?
    This one is pretty darn dep.
    The above article concluded they made the water more acidic?
    Tomorrow, I'm going to pull water charts, and look
  12. Subscriber FMF
    a.k.a. John W Booth
    02 Jan '10 08:10
    Originally posted by Hugh Glass
    Staunchly against what part FMF [...?]
    I am against how the part where they make humorless posters look silly.
  13. 02 Jan '10 18:17
    http://www.miamiherald.com/business/nation/story/1401065.html

    How many of these are spewing around the world?
    Ocean current chart and temps is on the way...
  14. 02 Jan '10 18:41 / 1 edit
    Is a post suppose to have humor?

    when you trouble shoot anything, from a lawn mower, to a car, to our climate.
    Do you hire someone that just throws parts at it, it works and everything is fine, until the problem appears again?
    I don't nor did my guys. As far as cap and trade for this, we can't afford it, that's simple to see. So look everywhere. Just maybe there's a different answer. Maybe one, that we have little control over.
    When St. Helens went, our cars were covered in ash, in wyoming. Anytime there is a forest fire in Cal, same thing, ash all over wyoming.
    Think, just like chess, what/how does this move affect what I am going to do 7 moves from now?
    Cap and trade money, just bankrupts our country. Looking ahead.
    I've worked with air scrubbing systems most of my life. What we have in the US, and the world is very good. Centrotherm in Germany is my choice, thermal wet scrubbers, ran in-line with large water scrubbers clean air quite well. Waste water is treated in cascading vessles to adjust the PH..... Fluorine is treating to make a neutral "cake" which can go in the land fill.
    No humor needed. Just opened minded thinking, with less sarcastic attacks on posters... to which I will take blame.
  15. 02 Jan '10 21:41
    it might not bankrupt us. the money gets shuffled around, it doesn't disappear. with huge amounts of overheard.

    but it'd be nice if the people who earn the money get to keep it. not turn it over to Gore et al.