Relevant to the other thread.
Tweet 25/n:
NPIs? Those come at a cost, and just delay the inevitable. We will not defeat Covid using NPIs - potentially just delay some infections into the future. That made sense when vaccines were on the horizon. Not as much now, unless there is imminent threat of HC system failure. 25/n
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@sh76 saidWhat "cost" does a mask mandate have?
Relevant to the other thread.
Tweet 25/n:
NPIs? Those come at a cost, and just delay the inevitable. We will not defeat Covid using NPIs - potentially just delay some infections into the future. That made sense when vaccines were on the horizon. Not as much now, unless there is imminent threat of HC system failure. 25/n
Of course, people should stop being idiots and get vaccinated, but it seems like quite a few won't no matter what. And even with vaccination there is some risk that masks reduce.
@no1marauder said===What "cost" does a mask mandate have?===
What "cost" does a mask mandate have?
Of course, people should stop being idiots and get vaccinated, but it seems like quite a few won't no matter what. And even with vaccination there is some risk that masks reduce.
I need that bifurcated into in schools/children's playgrounds and other areas?
Supermarkets? You're right. Not a big deal.
Elementary schools? Enormous costs.
@sh76 saidCould you be slightly more specific?
===What "cost" does a mask mandate have?===
I need that bifurcated into in schools/children's playgrounds and other areas?
Supermarkets? You're right. Not a big deal.
Elementary schools? Enormous costs.
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@no1marauder saidMaking a 6 year old wear a mask at school the whole day is low-grade torture and decreases their abilities to develop social skills and pick up on non-verbal cues.
Could you be slightly more specific?
https://www.wsj.com/articles/masks-for-children-muzzles-for-covid-19-news-11618329981
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@sh76 saidWhy would they have to wear their mask all day? IF their desks are socially distanced, it would seem the same rules could apply as they did for indoor dining i.e. you can take off the mask while seated.
Making a 6 year old wear a mask at school the whole day is low-grade torture and decreases their abilities to develop social skills and pick up on non-verbal cues.
https://www.wsj.com/articles/masks-for-children-muzzles-for-covid-19-news-11618329981
Maybe it would be better just to authorize vaccinations for them, though. At any rate, whatever the health experts decide is OK by me.
EDIT: It's hard to take seriously a "panel" of people who all opposed any type of NPI's (Scott Atlas? Please) and the author is on the verge of anti-vaxxer status. https://www.foxnews.com/media/us-vaccination-campaigns-just-wrong-stanford-professor-says-you-dont-bully-people
EDIT2: Ouch, author of the Santa Clara study? We wouldn't have to worry about COVID at all if the IFR estimates (which you championed) in it were correct; we'd have had about 500 million cases in the US which I imagine would achieve herd immunity.
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@sh76 saidSo No1 already asked this question.
Making a 6 year old wear a mask at school the whole day is low-grade torture and decreases their abilities to develop social skills and pick up on non-verbal cues.
https://www.wsj.com/articles/masks-for-children-muzzles-for-covid-19-news-11618329981
Would you prefer wearing masks intermittently between sitting at their desks to the risk of hospitalization or death?
Follow up: most likely you'll cite lower COVID rates among children; to that: in addition to potential hospitalization or death to those children, is it worth exposing the parents and other family members of children to such risks by increasing their likelihood as carriers?
@Eladar
Did you see the actions of the Texas governor, making illegal to force people to wear masks even though the delta and other variants are KILLING people at a greatly increased rate now, just look at what is going on in Missouri.
But OF COURSE, with your ZERO amount of human empathy, you could care less how many people die, and most of them are old folks so who cares anyway....
@no1marauder saidCOVID spreads primarily by circulating air, especially in poorly ventilated spaces and especially when sitting in the same area for long periods of time, when the viral load has a chance to build up in the room. If they're not wearing masks while sitting in the same room for hours on end, distancing is COVID theater.
Why would they have to wear their mask all day? IF their desks are socially distanced, it would seem the same rules could apply as they did for indoor dining i.e. you can take off the mask while seated.
Maybe it would be better just to authorize vaccinations for them, though. At any rate, whatever the health experts decide is OK by me.
I have no problem requiring vaccinations for in-person school as they do for MMR shots. (If people are such anti-vaxxers, they can have their kids stay on zoom.) But in the meantime, I thank Reason every day that my kids' schools don't force them to wear masks. I'm not putting them through that for something that's no more of a risk to them than the seasonal flu.
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@vivify saidFor the children themselves, I consider the risk negligible. As low as the flu or lower. I don't mask them every winter for fear of the flu. I consider masking them WAY too high a price to pay for protection from COVID, which they don't really need.
So No1 already asked this question.
Would you prefer wearing masks intermittently between sitting at their desks to the risk of hospitalization or death?
Follow up: most likely you'll cite lower COVID rates among children; to that: in addition to potential hospitalization or death to those children, is it worth exposing the parents and other family members of children to such risks by increasing their likelihood as carriers?
===Follow up: most likely you'll cite lower COVID rates among children; to that: in addition to potential hospitalization or death to those children, is it worth exposing the parents and other family members of children to such risks by increasing their likelihood as carriers?===
The parents and other family members are vaccinated. And if they're not, then it's probably their own damned fault. And if they have some sort of disorder which doesn't allow them to be vaxxed, then I'm terribly sorry, but they're going to have to look out for themselves. They can isolate and wear N95s.