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    16 May '18 15:04
    EXPOSED...

    https://www.waynedupree.com/at-first-glance-you-see-palestinian-martyrs-until-one-needs-to-scratch-his-nose/
  2. SubscriberSuzianne
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    16 May '18 19:57
    Originally posted by @mott-the-hoople
    EXPOSED...

    https://www.waynedupree.com/at-first-glance-you-see-palestinian-martyrs-until-one-needs-to-scratch-his-nose/
    "Israel and Palestine have been going added for years, and both sides have used propaganda to try to get their message across."

    "Going added" should be "going at it". Now that's some good journalistic excellence -- Pulitzer material for sure. This is probably a "performance art" exhibition or something, probably nothing to do with what you think it is, or what that crappy website is purporting it is.
  3. Standard memberwolfgang59
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    16 May '18 21:21
    Originally posted by @mott-the-hoople
    EXPOSED...

    Wayne Dupree? Really?

    The biggest accolade I could find for this rabid Trump supporter was that he was named
    "Blogger of the Year" by the American Conservative Union in 2015

    A real heavyweight.
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    16 May '18 23:21
    Originally posted by @wolfgang59
    Wayne Dupree? Really?

    The biggest accolade I could find for this rabid Trump supporter was that he was named
    "Blogger of the Year" by the American Conservative Union in 2015

    A real heavyweight.
    The Trump support base is the"useful idiot" of the 21st century.
  5. Zugzwang
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    16 May '18 23:23
    Originally posted by @suzianne to Mott-the-Hoopie
    "Israel and Palestine have been going added for years, and both sides have used propaganda to try to get their message across."

    "Going added" should be "going at it". Now that's some good journalistic excellence -- Pulitzer material for sure. This is probably a "performance art" exhibition or something, probably nothing to do with what you think it is, or what that crappy website is purporting it is.
    Don't morally equate the victim (Palestinians) with the victimizer (Israel or Zionism).

    "So far from being seen as the victims of Zionism, the Palestinians were characterised
    before the world as its now repentant assailants: as if the thousands killed by Israel’s
    bombing of refugee camps, hospitals and schools in Lebanon; Israel’s expulsion of
    800,000 people in 1948 (whose descendants now number about three million, many of
    them stateless); the conquest of their land and property; the destruction of over four
    hundred Palestinian villages; the invasion of Lebanon; the ravages of 26 years of brutal
    military Occupation – it was as if these sufferings had been reduced to the status of
    terrorism and violence, to be renounced retrospectively or passed over in silence."
    --Edward Said (criticizing the Oslo Accords of 1993)
  6. SubscriberSuzianne
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    17 May '18 02:05
    Originally posted by @duchess64
    Don't morally equate the victim (Palestinians) with the victimizer (Israel or Zionism).

    "So far from being seen as the victims of Zionism, the Palestinians were characterised
    before the world as its now repentant assailants: as if the thousands killed by Israel’s
    bombing of refugee camps, hospitals and schools in Lebanon; Israel’s expulsion of
    80 ...[text shortened]... trospectively or passed over in silence."
    --Edward Said (criticizing the Oslo Accords of 1993)
    Every Palestinian death in Gaza can be laid at the feet of Hamas. They only care about their own people insofar as they can be used to feed their propaganda machine against Israel. So no, I don't equate Hamas with Israel at all. Hamas is much, much worse.
  7. Zugzwang
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    17 May '18 02:213 edits
    Originally posted by @suzianne
    Every Palestinian death in Gaza can be laid at the feet of Hamas. They only care about their own people insofar as they can be used to feed their propaganda machine against Israel. So no, I don't equate Hamas with Israel at all. Hamas is much, much worse.
    As a fanatical supporter of Israel, Suzianne recites more pro-Israeli propaganda.
    Israel was massacring Palestinian civilians long before Hamas even existed.
    (Suzianne might argue that the massacres were in anticipation of Hamas's existence.)

    I cannot recall Suzianne ever condemning Israeli soldiers (or armed Jewish settlers) for killing
    Palestinian civilians even in the West Bank, where the PNA government loathes Hamas
    (and routinely imprisons and allegedly tortures Hamas members).

    As an American Christian fundamentalist, Suzianne has written earlier that she regards
    Israeli Jews as God's Chosen People. Suzianne may feel that God's Chosen People have
    the divine right to kill 'infidels' (such as Palestinians) about any time that they please.

    I earlier have asked Suzianne if she had any empathy for Palestinian Christian women
    who are victims of Israeli violence. I don't recall that Suzianne expressed any empathy.
    Apart from her apparent difficulty in accepting that any Palestinians could be real Christians,
    (if they were, wouldn't they have to love Israel?), Suzianne may identify more with an
    Israeli Jewish man doing the shooting than a Palestinian Christian woman being shot.

    Would No1Marauder regard Suzianne as a 'liberal' American supporter of an 'equitable'
    peace settlement for the Palestinians?
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