@AverageJoe1 saidYou want to take 900 billion dollars from citizens and spend it on immigrants?
Cost of tuition payments: $697billion
Cost of deportation about $900B.
What about take the 697 and find another 200.3 B and it is like, like , nothing. Of course the loser graduates, who may be pregnant and looking for free help, will be out of luck. Downer.
Anyway , we’d have the $900b and get them back to their home. Has a nice ring to it.., back to their homes.
@Ponderable saidNo I did not. This Is is what I said, referring to despicable Biden taking money out of our treasury savings and using said money to pay down tuition loans of selected college graduates,
So you said you would cut about 700 B$ from Eductaion, that is all the money that goes into that, or is that only money invested in education of those you want to deport?
“Cost of tuition payments: $697billion”
Follow me here… I am suggesting to not use that same money to pay off the loans of losers, but rather apply it to the cost of getting those people back to where they belong. I said nothing about education, I said to not use that money for paying off loans that were made to people in college. That is about as simple as I can say it to you.
@AThousandYoung saidThe despicable Biden wants to take money out of the treasury to pay off loans of selected people, people he thought up, probably while he was taking a shower. I am suggesting if that money has been set aside for that, that instead, it be used to get rid of these people that have crashed into our country.
You want to take 900 billion dollars from citizens and spend it on immigrants?
Much has been said about how much it would cost to deport those people, but would this not be a great answer since the money has already been a set aside.
@AverageJoe1 saidYes, we know that sticks in your craw. 😆
The despicable Biden wants to take money out of the treasury to pay off loans of selected people, people he thought up, probably while he was taking a shower. I am suggesting if that money has been set aside for that, that instead, it be used to get rid of these people that have crashed into our country.
Much has been said about how much it would cost to deport those people, but would this not be a great answer since the money has already been a set aside.
Do you know what happens when you declare bankruptcy? You tell all the people you borrowed money from, 'Sorry, I can't pay you back. You need to accept 5 cents on the dollar. Bye! I'm off to start a new company .... La de da de da.'
But you made sure that student loans could not be discharged under bankruptcy, didn't you? When you and your corrupt buddies passed that law, you did that on purpose. And then you went out and started FOR PROFIT UNIVERSITIES! That later WENT BANKRUPT!!! Oh, the hypocrisy. The University can declare bankruptcy and skate, but the students have to pay back every dime.
Wow. That's corrpution and injustice at a very profound level.
See, @AverageJoe1, you defend rich corrupt oligarchs because they TOLD you to defend them on Fox News. That's why. You watch the pretty girls in short skirts with the transparent desks and you absorb what you are told. 'Student loan forgiveness - BAD! BAAAAAD!!' You are memerized and just repeat whatever hypocrisy they spoon feed into your mouth.
@spruce112358 saidFirst para of yours references a provision, in law and blessed by our govt, that gives failing companies several different ways (Chapters) to save what they can and/or restart. As to people you borrow money from, or vendors who take a risk to be ‘paid later’, we can all agree that said lenders and vendors have only themselves to blame…..sorry, sounds strong.
Yes, we know that sticks in your craw. 😆
Do you know what happens when you declare bankruptcy? You tell all the people you borrowed money from, 'Sorry, I can't pay you back. You need to accept 5 cents on the dollar. Bye! I'm off to start a new company .... La de da de da.'
But you made sure that student loans could not be discharged under bankruptcy, didn't you? W ...[text shortened]... AD! BAAAAAD!!' You are memerized and just repeat whatever hypocrisy they spoon feed into your mouth.
But tell me, who else can they blame? You or me or the government?? No. Spruce, you don’t want that, do you. If I loaned you $1000 and you do not pay me back, that is no different than a business transaction for a bank to loan money to a company that does not pay them back. These are agreements between the parties.
Or let me explain it this way. Let us say there is no such thing as bankruptcy laws. No such thing as bankruptcy in the legal sense of the matter. So the corner hardware store borrows 50,000 from a bank, unsecured, and vendors deliver products to the store, to be paid later. If the hardware store goes out of business, setting the idea of bankruptcy aside, the vendor and the bank manager all go to the hardware store to be repaid. What do you think the outcome would be. The hardware store has no money.
So how do you respond here?
Please answer the above, but as to this para…….
But you made sure that student loans could not be discharged under bankruptcy, didn't you? When you and your corrupt buddies passed that law, you did that on purpose. And then you went out and started FOR PROFIT UNIVERSITIES! That later WENT BANKRUPT!!! Oh, the hypocrisy. The University can declare bankruptcy and skate, but the students have to pay back every dime.
If a bank makes a student loan, that is a contract between the bank and the borrower, so I guess that such a loan could be dischargeable in bankruptcy, that is not my Baileywick and I am not going to look it up . Seems logical that if the bank loans the money, that they take a risk that they might not get it paid back. . No help from your government. Of course, the way the bank gets around this to protect themselves is demand some security for the loan, such as a piece of real estate. Or, get daddy to Co-sign.
Now part two of this, if the loan is made by the government, that is loanbeing made by me, an taxpayer, and therefore there is no way I would want that to be dischargeable in bankruptcy. So you and I are in odds on that score. Someone with socialist tendencies, I would never say you, would think the government is there for the purpose of making everything equal between all of the parties. You are giving me a headache.
@AverageJoe1 saidI want fairness. I want equal treatment before the law like the Constitution says. 😆
First para of yours references a provision, in law and blessed by our govt, that gives failing companies several different ways (Chapters) to save what they can and/or restart. As to people you borrow money from, or vendors who take a risk to be ‘paid later’, we can all agree that said lenders and vendors have only themselves to blame…..sorry, sounds strong.
But te ...[text shortened]... o you think the outcome would be. The hardware store has no money.
So how do you respond here?
If Wall Street gets bailed out, then Main Street gets bailed out.
If Trump University can declare bankruptcy, then students can declare bankruptcy.
But you don't want that, do you? Your whole BEING, every fiber, is alloyed to the principle that CERTAIN PEOPLE GET BETTER TREATMENT. You hate equality. You hate fairness.
You want to puff yourself up like a frog tell yourself, "Look how big and important I am. Not like those little fellers over there. I deserve every one of these breaks! But poor people are BAAAAD and socialist. Don't give them ANYTHING!" 😆
@AverageJoe1 saidHave you been following the immigration debate at all? I honestly thought this is where your comparison of the cost of education vs immigration came from.
Link? Or quote sue?
Musk and Vivek Ramaswamy, who have been tapped by Trump to lead his Department of Government Efficiency (DOGE), argued earlier this week that American culture has not prioritized education enough, and therefore that foreign workers are needed for tech companies like Musk’s SpaceX and Tesla
https://www.foxnews.com/politics/trump-says-he-believer-h-1b-visas-skilled-migrant-workers-right-spars-immigration-report
@spruce112358 saidHow can I respond to slander?!?! I guess, Deny, Deny, Deny. I don’t hate equality and fairness.
I want fairness. I want equal treatment before the law like the Constitution says. 😆
If Wall Street gets bailed out, then Main Street gets bailed out.
If Trump University can declare bankruptcy, then students can declare bankruptcy.
But you don't want that, do you? Your whole BEING, every fiber, is alloyed to the principle that CERTAIN PEOPLE GET BETTER TREATMENT ...[text shortened]... e every one of these breaks! But poor people are BAAAAD and socialist. Don't give them ANYTHING!" 😆
Well, that does this post………
BUT WAIT! Might I submit, that in this VERY thread, I said above that the despicable Biden decided, in the shower, to single out College Graduates for a windfall from the government (all of us) that would pay off and pay down their school tuition. Absolutely wonderful for the recipients. Yes, sir. Wonderful.
There are some really poor people, single moms, and those who have lost so much, those whom you fellers have claimed are starving, who were ignored for such a windfall. The lady highlighted in the news last week, who took 3 apples to the checkout, but took one back as she had not enough money.**
You mention fairness above, implying that I am not ‘fair’, thus implying that you Are fair.
Is What Biden Did (which you agreed with) Fair? You are not fair, Spruce.
Holy Smokes, I win another skirmish, when I almost threw in the towel!
**. Something tells me that she is not a college graduate.
@wildgrass saidIs that not another issue? Goalpost time?
Have you been following the immigration debate at all? I honestly thought this is where your comparison of the cost of education vs immigration came from.
[quote]Musk and Vivek Ramaswamy, who have been tapped by Trump to lead his Department of Government Efficiency (DOGE), argued earlier this week that American culture has not prioritized education enough, and therefore th ...[text shortened]... om/politics/trump-says-he-believer-h-1b-visas-skilled-migrant-workers-right-spars-immigration-report
See my post to Spruce just above. I am not writing ‘about education’. But you are. Yawn city. Maybe you can tell us why Biden is supporting soon-to-be rich (and enriched) college grads , who actually said that they were gonna go off to Europe to celebrate the windfall.
He is watching out for the rich folks, which I think you said that I am doing. Biden is watching it for the rich folks. He does not give a crap about the people really in need. Neither do the lot of you.
@AverageJoe1 saidAre you going to respond?
First para of yours references a provision, in law and blessed by our govt, that gives failing companies several different ways (Chapters) to save what they can and/or restart. As to people you borrow money from, or vendors who take a risk to be ‘paid later’, we can all agree that said lenders and vendors have only themselves to blame…..sorry, sounds strong.
But te ...[text shortened]... o you think the outcome would be. The hardware store has no money.
So how do you respond here?
@AverageJoe1 saidAnd, did this sink in? You know I have these several posts needing responses, for fluidity, and you ignor them, and write in tangents, which leave my fine explanations of bankruptcy in the wind.
Please answer the above, but as to this para…….
But you made sure that student loans could not be discharged under bankruptcy, didn't you? When you and your corrupt buddies passed that law, you did that on purpose. And then you went out and started FOR PROFIT UNIVERSITIES! That later WENT BANKRUPT!!! Oh, the hypocrisy. The University can declare bankruptcy and skate, b ...[text shortened]... for the purpose of making everything equal between all of the parties. You are giving me a headache.
Is that you, Sonhouse?
For instance , Co-signer on a loan. Why does the bank want that? Why, ole Spruce here, he thinks that govt bankruptcy provisions should be F’n involved in this contract between banker and borrower.
@AverageJoe1 saidThere is basic logic to follow here, stemming from your OP comparing the cost of education to the cost of deportation. Elons claim is that the necessary workforce doesnt exist in the US. So if a US-born college grad gets a tech job then that is one less foreigner that Elon does not hire. If the goal is less migrants, then paying for college is a viable path forward, and cheaper as you mention.
Is that not another issue? Goalpost time?
See my post to Spruce just above. I am not writing ‘about education’. But you are. Yawn city. Maybe you can tell us why Biden is supporting soon-to-be rich (and enriched) college grads , who actually said that they were gonna go off to Europe to celebrate the windfall.
He is watching out for the rich folks, whi ...[text shortened]... the rich folks. He does not give a crap about the people really in need. Neither do the lot of you.
@AverageJoe1 saidIt's a lot cheaper to just let them stay here according to Elon Musk.
The despicable Biden wants to take money out of the treasury to pay off loans of selected people, people he thought up, probably while he was taking a shower. I am suggesting if that money has been set aside for that, that instead, it be used to get rid of these people that have crashed into our country.
Much has been said about how much it would cost to deport those people, but would this not be a great answer since the money has already been a set aside.
https://www.foxbusiness.com/politics/doge-highlights-how-much-illegal-immigration-costs-us-taxpayers
DOGE said illegal immigration cost U.S. taxpayers $150.7 billion in 2023
But you want to spend six times as much on them out of sheer spite. Nothing to do with the economics of the situation.
@AThousandYoung saidO K a B+ for thousand, by me,. The self appointed judge..
It's a lot cheaper to just let them stay here according to Elon Musk.https://www.foxbusiness.com/politics/doge-highlights-how-much-illegal-immigration-costs-us-taxpayers
DOGE said illegal immigration cost U.S. taxpayers $150.7 billion in 2023
But you want to spend six times as much on them out of sheer spite. Nothing to do with the economics of the situation.
We await the findings of musk and vivek by Trump to find waste. Yes, this would naturally entail the pros and cons of keeping those people here, and figuring out what to do with them. This would take into account how much it would cost. So it may be a good idea, but right now, Holman is all about getting them the hell out of here and I was just commenting on a good place to find the money. I think I should get a B+ too
Might I add to my hereinbefore paragraph, that you people seem to hated hated the musk connection. But now, you say his words will be important.. That is , you are saying why don’t we listen to musk. I think yesterday you were saying something else. You are all giving me a headache.
I wish that I could send you a picture of where I am sitting right now, and George Bush is sitting 12 feet away from me having a hamburger. Remember, we might all meet someday at our annual get together, and I would have to prove that. No problemo. I have never been untruthful. After all, to what end?
When we meet, no name tags, and we will try to figure out who is who, I bet sun house looks entirely different than we picture him. I think he feeds his chickens. He probably will have on a coat and tie, look like $1 million! What if we find out he actually has $1 million… Will that be fair?
Happy new year to all! Apologies for all the reasons that you don’t like me, all I have ever tried to do is make it all interesting. What if you all just spoke to each other.. There has to be a protagonist in every novel that you ever read.