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  1. Standard member sh76
    Civis Americanus Sum
    08 Oct '09 18:53 / 1 edit
    Should political candidates, for example, be attacking each other's physical shape (or lack thereof)?

    http://www.nytimes.com/2009/10/08/nyregion/08fat.html

    Can something like this backfire?

    After all, the fat vote is a "sizeable" constituency here in the US.
  2. 08 Oct '09 20:11
    Originally posted by sh76
    Should political candidates, for example, be attacking each other's physical shape (or lack thereof)?

    http://www.nytimes.com/2009/10/08/nyregion/08fat.html

    Can something like this backfire?

    After all, the fat vote is a "sizeable" constituency here in the US.
    the ad campaign here in NJ has been non-stop negative - although given the lack of any positive proposals from either Corzine or Christie, I can't imagine anything but negative ads. There is an independent running (Chris Daggett) who I am going to vote for.

    Christie's weight has been a topic -- although it's usually addressed indirectly (almost every Corzine ad makes sure to make Christie look as portly as possible). And much has been made over the past couple of years about Corzine's ties (romantic and otherwise) with Carla Katz and whether it improperly influenced contract negotiations between her union and the state.

    So for me, the race has come down to being Fatz vs Katz (with both of them being Fat Cats). I'm voting for the Dagger.
  3. Standard member telerion
    True X X Xian
    08 Oct '09 20:23
    Originally posted by sh76
    Should political candidates, for example, be attacking each other's physical shape (or lack thereof)?

    http://www.nytimes.com/2009/10/08/nyregion/08fat.html

    Can something like this backfire?

    After all, the fat vote is a "sizeable" constituency here in the US.
    It certainly doesn't improve the level of discourse but I don't think "fat" should be offl
    limits. I just wish negative ads didn't have so much persuasive power with a large portion of voters.
  4. 08 Oct '09 20:27 / 1 edit
    Originally posted by telerion
    It certainly doesn't improve the level of discourse but I don't think "fat" should be offl
    limits. I just wish negative ads didn't have so much persuasive power with a large portion of voters.
    Its because people don't know what they want. or I should say what they need, rather, they only know what they don't like or don't need.

    Its kinda like why people don't like "W". Most think it is because he was a conservative, but looking back that is not why because he was not a conservative. In fact, many of his policies are being carried out by Obama. You see, what people really don't like are statists, even if they can't articulate why it may be that they don't like a politician.
  5. 08 Oct '09 20:30 / 2 edits
    One problem is that so many more people are overweight today than they were in the past. There's just so many more things people can do these days without getting out of their chair - and so many fast food ads on TV offering the worst menus. Christie could use his personal struggles with his weight to push for policies that would get people to do more to get and stay fit.
  6. Standard member telerion
    True X X Xian
    08 Oct '09 20:51
    Originally posted by Melanerpes
    One problem is that so many more people are overweight today than they were in the past. There's just so many more things people can do these days without getting out of their chair - and so many fast food ads on TV offering the worst menus. Christie could use his personal struggles with his weight to push for policies that would get people to do more to get and stay fit.
    Like cutting a path through a thorny forest with a wildfire at their backs.
  7. 08 Oct '09 21:31
    Originally posted by telerion
    Like cutting a path through a thorny forest with a wildfire at their backs.
    LOL

    so true.
  8. Standard member sh76
    Civis Americanus Sum
    08 Oct '09 22:31
    Originally posted by Melanerpes
    the ad campaign here in NJ has been non-stop negative - although given the lack of any positive proposals from either Corzine or Christie, I can't imagine anything but negative ads. There is an independent running (Chris Daggett) who I am going to vote for.

    Christie's weight has been a topic -- although it's usually addressed indirectly (almost every C ...[text shortened]... e down to being Fatz vs Katz (with both of them being Fat Cats). I'm voting for the Dagger.
    So, you're from Joisy, eh?

    We're neighbors!
  9. Standard member Seitse
    Doug Stanhope
    08 Oct '09 22:38
    “There’s no subtlety there,” said Bill Baroni, a Republican state senator
    from Hamilton who lost 130 pounds starting 15 years ago. “That’s not a
    randomly chosen phrase. It’s purposeful. And it’s offensive.”

    Mr. Baroni said that Mr. Corzine risked a backlash from the “tens of
    thousands” of New Jerseyans who struggle with their weight. “It is a
    lifetime battle,” he said. “And it’s made harder when people that you
    expect better from make fun of you.”


    - - -

    No, it's made harder when those tens of thousands decide to swallow
    deep fried twinkies instead of an apple.
  10. Standard member Palynka
    Upward Spiral
    08 Oct '09 22:38
    Where in the video is the fact that he's an elephant an issue?

    I don't get it.
  11. Standard member sh76
    Civis Americanus Sum
    09 Oct '09 01:09
    Originally posted by Seitse
    “There’s no subtlety there,” said Bill Baroni, a Republican state senator
    from Hamilton who lost 130 pounds starting 15 years ago. “That’s not a
    randomly chosen phrase. It’s purposeful. And it’s offensive.”

    Mr. Baroni said that Mr. Corzine risked a backlash from the [b]“tens of
    thousands” of New Jerseyans who struggle with their weight. “It is a
    li ...[text shortened]... harder when those tens of thousands decide to swallow
    deep fried twinkies instead of an apple.
    Deep fried twinkies???

    Ewww!
  12. 09 Oct '09 06:40
    Originally posted by telerion
    Like cutting a path through a thorny forest with a wildfire at their backs.
    Like a buck tooth chick eating corn on the cobb through a picket fence.
  13. 09 Oct '09 16:27
    Originally posted by sh76
    Should political candidates, for example, be attacking each other's physical shape (or lack thereof)?

    http://www.nytimes.com/2009/10/08/nyregion/08fat.html

    Can something like this backfire?

    After all, the fat vote is a "sizeable" constituency here in the US.
    its very simple, they should stick to the politics instead of personal attacks.
  14. 09 Oct '09 17:37
    Originally posted by sh76
    Deep fried twinkies???

    Ewww!
    http://www.wchstv.com/gmarecipes/deepfriedtwinkies.shtml
  15. Subscriber Sleepyguy
    Reepy Rastardly Guy
    09 Oct '09 18:23
    Christie should take Huckabee's advice. He could should come out and say "Look, I'm overweight, Corzine is incompetent. I can go on a diet. What's Corzine gonna do?"

    Or maybe he should take the Biggest Loser angle and pledge to lose 100 lbs if elected. Perfect for American politics.