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I read somewhere the other day that the first step to understanding politics is to realize that politicians are not interested in solving your problems - they are interested in solving their own problems.

What voters miss in the process is taking that argument to its logical end point. When a politician says "I will pass anti-trans legislation to keep boys out of girls locker rooms" they are not saying or doing that for your benefit or the benefit of society. They know perverts exist and will always exist and that indecent exposure or harassment or perversion are already crimes. They know when the men's room is occupied at the gas station and you really gotta go it isn't illegal to jump into the ladies room. They know but they want to get elected.

The problem of the politician - getting elected - is what voters should focus on. It is important to realize that whatever problem the politician has identified as a good one to focus on for getting elected is a more effective problem-solver for them - again the problem is 'getting elected' - if it is amplified. They're purposefully using imprecise terminology to amplify solvable problems and not highlighting real solutions.

Global warming/Climate Change. Also called "climate'.
Boys ogling in the girls room - also called 'perversion' and currently illegal.
Hoards of immigrants - also called 'people'.

What meaningful actions were taken (or will be taken) to solve these problems and did those actions work?

Climate change, we still don't know all the forcing events and the models aren't perfect but we know what actions could help. Let's do that.

Transgender issues, the laws on the books regarding indecent exposure render all the 'bathroom bills' moot and (with the possible exception of credible suicide risks) it's probably a bad idea to talk about permanent gender changes before adulthood.

Immigration - Sheesh. Legislation. Stop it with the walls. Airplanes exist.

You're welcome. I just solved all the big problems. What's next?

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@wildgrass said
I read somewhere the other day that the first step to understanding politics is to realize that politicians are not interested in solving your problems - they are interested in solving their own problems.

What voters miss in the process is taking that argument to its logical end point. When a politician says "I will pass anti-trans legislation to keep boys out of girls l ...[text shortened]... with the walls. Airplanes exist.

You're welcome. I just solved all the big problems. What's next?
Well said......
As you mentioned before, these buzz words
and manufactured issues keep the cash flowing in.
Build a 30 foot wall to keep folks out, and
I'll show you people with 31 foot ladders. 😆

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@wildgrass said
I read somewhere the other day that the first step to understanding politics is to realize that politicians are not interested in solving your problems - they are interested in solving their own problems.

What voters miss in the process is taking that argument to its logical end point. When a politician says "I will pass anti-trans legislation to keep boys out of girls l ...[text shortened]... with the walls. Airplanes exist.

You're welcome. I just solved all the big problems. What's next?
"Climate change, we still don't know all the forcing events and the models aren't perfect but we know what actions could help. Let's do that. "

No, you don't.
You don't even know what is causing global warming.

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@wildgrass - "... first step to understanding politics is to realize that politicians are not interested in solving your problems - they are interested in solving their own problems."
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DING DING DING winner winner chicken dinner.

Look right now at how the democrats are squealing like pigs about how democracy will be lost in America if republicans win big in the mid terms.

The truth is, democracy will not be lost, a stranglehold on power by the democrats will be lost.

It's all about solving *THEIR* problems, not society's

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@earl-of-trumps said
@wildgrass - "... first step to understanding politics is to realize that politicians are not interested in solving your problems - they are interested in solving their own problems."
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DING DING DING winner winner chicken dinner.

Look right now at how the democrats are squealing like pigs about how democracy will be lost in America if republ ...[text shortened]... ld on power by the democrats will be lost.

It's all about solving *THEIR* problems, not society's
"... a stranglehold on power by the Democrats..."

??? What gave you that impression? As recently as 2.5 years ago Republicans controlled everything in Washington DC. Now, the court's deeply conservative for at least a decade, the executive branch is a Dim, and congress is almost an even split down the middle.

At the state level, 27/50 Republican governors and 61/100 congressional gives a wide lead to Republicans at our current moment in time.

Republicans are winning without solving any meaningful problem.

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@wildgrass said
"... a stranglehold on power by the Democrats..."

??? What gave you that impression? As recently as 2.5 years ago Republicans controlled everything in Washington DC. Now, the court's deeply conservative for at least a decade, the executive branch is a Dim, and congress is almost an even split down the middle.

At the state level, 27/50 Republican governors and 61/100 c ...[text shortened]... ns at our current moment in time.

Republicans are winning without solving any meaningful problem.
When they had BOTH HOUSES and
THE PRESIDENCY, what did they do?
I can't remember, too lazy to check......
Was it the first two years of TRUMPS term
with 31 hearings on Benghazi?
50 plus votes to ''repeal and replace, '' THE ACA?
How many votes to de-fund Planned Parenthood?
Or was that when BUSH launched an expensive
and fraudulent war on IRAQ searching for imaginary WMD>?
Too few statesmen, too many Lindsay Grahams.

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@wildgrass said
I read somewhere the other day that the first step to understanding politics is to realize that politicians are not interested in solving your problems - they are interested in solving their own problems.

What voters miss in the process is taking that argument to its logical end point. When a politician says "I will pass anti-trans legislation to keep boys out of girls l ...[text shortened]... with the walls. Airplanes exist.

You're welcome. I just solved all the big problems. What's next?
I beg to disagree.

Politicians make decisions.
Their decisions are based on what they really think is correct, what the party wants, what lobby groups want, what experts say and what will get them and keep them in power (that last point is where Machiavelli meets Goebbels, by the way).

On many issues (like global warming, for example) there are experts. People who know what they are talking about, have studied the subject, compared it with other experts and can tell the politician exactly what’s going on.

However, as I pointed out in another thread, there are also other dynamics at play.
Take global warming as an example:

- Lobby groups (oil companies)
- Own political party (what is the party line)
- Staying in power (how many votes does the politician stand to win or lose)
- international politics (what are the meta-effects on international relations by making a decision)

So, by the time a politician gets to make a decision, he’s weighing up a whole load of interests.

Now, to take global warming as a prime example.
Say you’re the politician. And you are weighing up all these interests, some of them very contradictory to each other.
And the petrolchemical industry says to you: “Vote what we want, and we’ll make sure you get a million a year salary when you quit politics.”

And you look and you see all the other politicians weighing up the same problems… what are the chances your one vote will change anything that’s substantially needed as the experts have pointed out?
And no matter how bad matters get, you’ll be able to take care of your family, won’t you? If you weigh up a little more in favour of…

Politicians aren’t inherently greedy or power hungry. They are forced to see the larger picture and make decisions on smaller subjects.

And that’s what you see and feel.

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... the first step to understanding politics is to realize that politicians are not interested in solving your problems - they are interested in solving their own problems.

PART II

You democrats try to make heads or tails out of this. As far as I am concerned, this nails it.

Democrats: $625B Tax Cut for Wealthy Elite ‘Essential’ Ahead of Midterms

"Democrats say cutting hundreds of billions of dollars in taxes for mostly wealthy income-earners in coastal states is “essential” to getting reelected in this year’s midterm elections."

ESSENTIAL to give tax cuts to the rich... to who is this essential?

Certainly not America and certainly not Americans. It is "essential" to the damn democrats
that are scrambling for power. that's all.

A similar argument can be made for the mess at the southern border. Who is that good for?
Again, only the democratic party. Ditto this for Voter ID, where 85% of voters want it
But so-called democrats DON'T. And we all know why. It is so the Democrat party
can prosper by cheating with no Voter ID in place.

Wildgrass brought up the issue and it's a doozie. Yes, the reps are there to embellish themselves,
NOT help America. It is a true story


https://www.breitbart.com/economy/2022/01/11/democrats-625b-tax-cut-for-wealthy-elite-essential-ahead-of-midterms/

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@shavixmir said
I beg to disagree.

Politicians make decisions.
Their decisions are based on what they really think is correct, what the party wants, what lobby groups want, what experts say and what will get them and keep them in power (that last point is where Machiavelli meets Goebbels, by the way).

On many issues (like global warming, for example) there are experts. People who kn ...[text shortened]... see the larger picture and make decisions on smaller subjects.

And that’s what you see and feel.
Wait aren't you agreeing with me?

Good post as always.

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@earl-of-trumps said
... the first step to understanding politics is to realize that politicians are not interested in solving your problems - they are interested in solving their own problems.

PART II

You democrats try to make heads or tails out of this. As far as I am concerned, this nails it.

Democrats: $625B Tax Cut for Wealthy Elite ‘Essential’ Ahead of Midterms ...[text shortened]... eitbart.com/economy/2022/01/11/democrats-625b-tax-cut-for-wealthy-elite-essential-ahead-of-midterms/
Earl, do you think over-hyping the illegal immigration crisis (sorry, I meant hoards of rapists and drug addicts) does not help Republicans win elections?

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