11 Jun 22
Most, if not all, people who receive Presidential pardons have been convicted of committing a federal crime. Is there a reason why a non-criminal would ask the President for a pardon?
Put another way, if someone without a criminal record asks the president for a pardon, does that mean they think they committed a crime but haven't yet been charged/convicted?
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11 Jun 22
@wildgrass saidYou mean like NIXON?
Most, if not all, people who receive Presidential pardons have been convicted of committing a federal crime. Is there a reason why a non-criminal would ask the President for a pardon?
Put another way, if someone without a criminal record asks the president for a pardon, does that mean they think they committed a crime but haven't yet been charged/convicted?
A pre-emptive pardon.
12 Jun 22
@wildgrass saidMy kind of thinking
Most, if not all, people who receive Presidential pardons have been convicted of committing a federal crime. Is there a reason why a non-criminal would ask the President for a pardon?
Put another way, if someone without a criminal record asks the president for a pardon, does that mean they think they committed a crime but haven't yet been charged/convicted?
12 Jun 22
@averagejoe1 saidIf you're asking for a pardon before you've been convicted of a crime, its hard for me to imagine a more explicit statement of consciousness of guilt. In the latest case, it appears several Republicans asked Trump for a pardon related to their public statements about election fraud. Maybe it's lying under oath or knowingly spreading propaganda about debunked election fraud or something worse, we will have to hear their public statements about it. Since they sought but did not receive a pardon, hopefully they will tell the truth.
My kind of thinking
I guess we'll see how it shakes out, but why would they do that if they thought their actions were not illegal?
12 Jun 22
@wildgrass saidLiz Cheney called it (asking Trump for a pardon for Jan. 6th actions) an example of a "consciousness of guilt". Therefore they cannot claim they "didn't know it was a crime".
Most, if not all, people who receive Presidential pardons have been convicted of committing a federal crime. Is there a reason why a non-criminal would ask the President for a pardon?
Put another way, if someone without a criminal record asks the president for a pardon, does that mean they think they committed a crime but haven't yet been charged/convicted?
13 Jun 22
@suzianne saidMultiple prominent Trumpers who were involved deeply in the adminstration, knew all the facts regarding potential fraud on election night, but continued to spread the lie, are calling the President asking for a pardon after 1/6.
Liz Cheney called it (asking Trump for a pardon for Jan. 6th actions) an example of a "consciousness of guilt". Therefore they cannot claim they "didn't know it was a crime".
Seems suspicious at least.
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14 Jun 22
@wildgrass said.....They usually say something like,
Multiple prominent Trumpers who were involved deeply in the adminstration, knew all the facts regarding potential fraud on election night, but continued to spread the lie, are calling the President asking for a pardon after 1/6.
Seems suspicious at least.
''....any crimes that may, or may not have occurred....'
15 Jun 22
@jimm619 saidSure I get that. It'd be interesting to see a record of all the people who have ever requested a presidential pardon, how many of them were not currently convicted of federal crimes, and what the outcome was.
.....They usually say something like,
''....any crimes that may, or may not have occurred....'
If they thought they were innocent, why'd they seek pardons?