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Suppose there were a button, generally available for pressing by anyone who cared to press it.

This button is attached to a machine, with lots of whirring parts, and has a very long cable attached, that recedes into the distance...

Everytime you press the button, a £1 coin comes out of the slot below it. This is for you to keep. You can press the button as many times as you want.

There is a complication however.

The machine is attached by the cable to a bunch of innocent victims, held captive in some secret, inaccessible location. Moreover, when the button is pressed 1 million times (the machine keeps track of this, and resets its counter to zero every time this total is reached) one of the innocent victims get dispatched.

Question: Is it morally permissible to press the button?

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Is it morally permissible to attach innocent victims to the end of a cable leading to a magic-pound-making-machine?

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Originally posted by Pawnokeyhole
Suppose there were a button, generally available for pressing by anyone who cared to press it.

This button is attached to a machine, with lots of whirring parts, and has a very long cable attached, that recedes into the distance...

Everytime you press the button, a £1 coin comes out of the slot below it. This is for you to keep. You can press the ...[text shortened]... the innocent victims get dispatched.

Question: Is it morally permissible to press the button?
Yes.
I'd be happy with £999,999.

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Originally posted by knightwest
Is it morally permissible to attach innocent victims to the end of a cable leading to a magic-pound-making-machine?
Of course not.

But that's not the question.

The question is: Is it moral to press the button?

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Originally posted by Varg
Yes.
I'd be happy with £999,999.
Note this phrase"...generally available for pressing by anyone who cared to press it."

You have to take into account that other people are liable to press the button too, and their number that could mount over time. Thus, if you pressed, and they pressed, and the number exceeded 1 million, you would be jointly at least partly causally responsible for the death of the person attached to the machine.

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How long would the machine last?! No time at all

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Originally posted by Pawnokeyhole
Suppose there were a button, generally available for pressing by anyone who cared to press it.

This button is attached to a machine, with lots of whirring parts, and has a very long cable attached, that recedes into the distance...

Everytime you press the button, a £1 coin comes out of the slot below it. This is for you to keep. You can press the ...[text shortened]... the innocent victims get dispatched.

Question: Is it morally permissible to press the button?
More people would be "dispatched" fighting over pressing
the button then at the secret, inaccessible location.

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Originally posted by xs
More people would be "dispatched" fighting over pressing
the button then at the secret, inaccessible location.
Ain't that the truth!! I doubt anyone would get to press it at all anyway...

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Originally posted by hurricane177
How long would the machine last?! No time at all
It's titanium-reinforced, and industrial strength.

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Originally posted by xs
More people would be "dispatched" fighting over pressing
the button then at the secret, inaccessible location.
Okay, slight scenario modification.

There are multiple terminals, featuring buttons and coins, widely distributed throughout society like phone boxes, all of which are connected back to a machine mainframe, which is itself connected to the unfortunate victims.

Now: Is it moral to press any of these buttons?

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Originally posted by Pawnokeyhole
Suppose there were a button, generally available for pressing by anyone who cared to press it.

This button is attached to a machine, with lots of whirring parts, and has a very long cable attached, that recedes into the distance...

Everytime you press the button, a £1 coin comes out of the slot below it. This is for you to keep. You can press the ...[text shortened]... the innocent victims get dispatched.

Question: Is it morally permissible to press the button?
I'd be aggressively pushing said button. The way I see it, I'm freeing the captives from a miserable existance and making moolah for myself. Its a win-win for all involved. Woo Hoo!

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Originally posted by Hand of Hecate
I'd be aggressively pushing said button. The way I see it, I'm freeing the captives from a miserable existance and making moolah for myself. Its a win-win for all involved. Woo Hoo!
Further scenario modification:

The "attached" victims are not captive, but are citizens chosen at random by the machine, by a high-tech mechanism using GPS technology and death rays.

Question: is it moral to push the button?

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Originally posted by Pawnokeyhole
Further scenario modification:

The "attached" victims are not captive, but are citizens chosen at random by the machine, by a high-tech mechanism using GPS technology and death rays.

Question: is it moral to push the button?
hmmmm...citizens of which country?
just kidding.

No. I don't believe it would be moral.

So let's connect the button to person pushing it.
I'll wait patiently next to the machine.

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Originally posted by xs
hmmmm...citizens of which country?
just kidding.

No. I don't believe it would be moral.

So let's connect the button to person pushing it.
I'll wait patiently next to the machine.
Okay, let's suppose it's not moral.

Now, suppose that it costs $1 more to buy fairtrade coffee than normally traded coffee, and the result is that, for every million, or other very large number, of coffees sold, a poor peasant farmer dies prematurately, who otherwise would not have.

Is it moral to buy normally traded coffee?