Originally posted by @mott-the-hoopleme thinks no1marauder caught a case of lockjaw...
You are correct...but that is not what I said.
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Originally posted by @mott-the-hoopleNo, you didn't. You just lied; Eladar was specifically talking about impeachment and you claimed that Trump could pardon himself "before conviction". You were wrong but don't want to admit it:
me thinks no1marauder caught a case of lockjaw...
Originally posted by @eladar
He needs congress so he can't be removed from office by impeachment. He doesn't need all of the Supreme Court, just 5 judges.
YOU: Nope, he could pardon himself before conviction.
Originally posted by @no1marauderEladar and I were debating who the pres would need on his side. He stated congress and scotus. I stated ONLY the scotus.
No, you didn't. You just lied; Eladar was specifically talking about impeachment and you claimed that Trump could pardon himself "before conviction". You were wrong but don't want to admit it:
Originally posted by @eladar
He needs congress so he can't be removed from office by impeachment. He doesn't need all of the Supreme Court, just 5 judges.
YOU: Nope, he could pardon himself before conviction.
Eladar stated "He needs congress so he can't be removed from office by impeachment."
I stated he could pardon himself BEFORE CONVICTION. I never said he couldn't be IMPEACHED.
That is where you make your error. And no one has lied here. YOU have jumped to a conclusion based on non comprehension.
Originally posted by @mott-the-hoopleThere's two possibilities:
Eladar and I were debating who the pres would need on his side. He stated congress and scotus. I stated ONLY the scotus.
Eladar stated "He needs congress so he can't be removed from office by impeachment."
I stated he could pardon himself BEFORE CONVICTION. I never said he couldn't be IMPEACHED.
That is where you make your error. And no one has lied here. YOU have jumped to a conclusion based on non comprehension.
One, you are ignorant of the fact that impeachment doesn't remove an official from office, only actual CONVICTION by the Senate does;
Two, you were aware of One but mistakenly believed that the President could pardon himself and prevent his removal from office.
Impeachment and removal is what Eladar was talking about and you are being untruthful to claim otherwise.
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Originally posted by @no1marauderI am completey aware of the system...
There's two possibilities:
One, you are ignorant of the fact that impeachment doesn't remove an official from office, only actual CONVICTION by the Senate does;
Two, you were aware of One but mistakenly believed that the President could pardon himself and prevent his removal from office.
Impeachment and removal is what Eladar was talking about and you are being untruthful to claim otherwise.
You wrote...:
"One, you are ignorant of the fact that impeachment doesn't remove an official from office, only actual CONVICTION by the Senate does;'"
Yes...that is why I stated CONVICTION, you went on the impeachment angle, not me.
You wrote...
"Two, you were aware of One but mistakenly believed that the President could pardon himself and prevent his removal from office."
This goes to my point of pres needing scotus ONLY. There is no case law for a pres pardoning himself...the scotus would have to rule. That is why I say the pres only needs the scotus. Once he pardons himself the congress is out of the picture, the SCOTUS ruling is what maters at this point.
I never said he couldn't be impeached. And after pardoning himself he could still be impeached but it would be symbolic only, if the scotus has approved the pardon.
You wrote...
" Impeachment and removal is what Eladar was talking about and you are being untruthful to claim otherwise.[/b]"
Yes you are correct. I never addressed the impeachment aspect, only the removal. Your error is zeroing in on impeachment.
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Originally posted by @mott-the-hoopleWhat a load.
I am completey aware of the system...
You wrote...:
"One, you are ignorant of the fact that impeachment doesn't remove an official from office, only actual CONVICTION by the Senate does;'"
Yes...that is why I stated CONVICTION, you went on the impeachment angle, not me.
You wrote...
"Two, you were aware of One but mistakenly believed th ...[text shortened]... ver addressed the impeachment aspect, only the removal. Your error is zeroing in on impeachment.
The Constitution EXPLICITLY says the pardoning power does not extend to cases of impeachment. You apparently thought it did. No SCOTUS is going to rule differently.
Originally posted by @no1marauderdon't go away mad...LOL
What a load.
The Constitution EXPLICITLY says the pardoning power does not extend to cases of impeachment. You apparently thought it did. No SCOTUS is going to rule differently.
Originally posted by @no1marauderTell you what...if you can show where I said the president can pardon himself from impeachment I will apologize.
You should just admit your mistake.
Until then I await your apology.
Originally posted by @mott-the-hoopleDo you think he can pardon himself BEFORE conviction in an impeachment case and avoid removal from office IF convicted?
Tell you what...if you can show where I said the president can pardon himself from impeachment I will apologize.
Until then I await your apology.
Yup, you do (or did before I corrected you).
Originally posted by @no1marauderLet me stop you there. Use my words.
Do you think he can pardon himself BEFORE conviction in an impeachment case and avoid removal from office IF convicted?
Yup, you do (or did before I corrected you).