28 Nov 05
"People are doing the same as (in) Saddam Hussein's time and worse," Mr Allawi, former Iraqi P.M. after the invasion told the Observer.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/middle_east/4475030.stm
He claims Iraq is worse now for torture and executions than under Saddam's regime (and that's before you count all the torturing and executing the invading forces have been doling out).
What say ye? Personally, I wouldn't be expecting too many Christmas cards from the grateful Iraqi people if I were in the White House or Downing Street this year.
28 Nov 05
Originally posted by sjegIt is very hard to run a dictatorship without support from a fairly large group who benefit (or believe that they benefit) from the situation. If you cleverly run your dictatorship along ethnic and religious lines as well then you can gain even more support.
"People are doing the same as (in) Saddam Hussein's time and worse," Mr Allawi, former Iraqi P.M. after the invasion told the Observer.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/middle_east/4475030.stm
He claims Iraq is worse now for torture and executions than under Saddam's regime (and that's before you count all the torturing and executing the invading for ...[text shortened]... s cards from the grateful Iraqi people if I were in the White House or Downing Street this year.
Removing the regime does not immediately remove the support or the divisions and wounds take a long time to heal. Removing the regime via war and as a foriegner with dubious motives as in the case of the iraq war make things even worse and allows people who believe that they will benefit from unrest to use the foreign occupation as a way to stir up more trouble.
A simmilar situation exists in other countries such as Zimbabwe where an invasion and regime change would not fix the divisions etc. Untill enough people within the country stand up and say they not only want regime change but also peace and stability then problems will remain.
28 Nov 05
Originally posted by sjegThe BBC's Jim Muir in Baghdad says Mr. Allawi's remarks come as Iraq
"People are doing the same as (in) Saddam Hussein's time and worse," Mr Allawi, former Iraqi P.M. after the invasion told the Observer.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/middle_east/4475030.stm
He claims Iraq is worse now for torture and executions than under Saddam's regime (and that's before you count all the torturing and executing the invading for ...[text shortened]... s cards from the grateful Iraqi people if I were in the White House or Downing Street this year.
prepares for parliamentary elections next month, which he hopes could
see him return as prime minister.
It is at times prudent to weigh an individuals remarks against their agenda.
28 Nov 05
Originally posted by xsAbsolutely correct in his possible motives. Good point.
The BBC's Jim Muir in Baghdad says Mr. Allawi's remarks come as Iraq
prepares for parliamentary elections next month, [b]which he hopes could
see him return as prime minister.
It is at times prudent to weigh an individuals remarks against their agenda.[/b]
But would you question the truth of that statement? It seems the facts speak for themselves.
28 Nov 05
Originally posted by sjegIf you mean that:
Absolutely correct in his possible motives. Good point.
But would you question the truth of that statement? It seems the facts speak for themselves.
"People are doing the same as (in) Saddam Hussein's time and worse,"
I would question the "worse" assumption, but I don't condone the activity.
This was the first I saw of it:
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/middle_east/4440134.stm
So I would also question your Christmas card comment.
28 Nov 05
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Originally posted by xsPhew good thing the Brits and Yanks arrived in time.
If you mean that:
"People are doing the same as (in) Saddam Hussein's time and worse,"
I would question the "worse" assumption, but I don't condone the activity.
This was the first I saw of it:
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/middle_east/4440134.stm
So I would also question your Christmas card comment.
Otherwise they might never have know the freedom of being urinated on, or the subtle art of the naked human pyramid.
The allies can teach those poor Iraqis so much!
"The security forces have faced repeated allegations of systematic abuse and torture of detainees, and of extra-judicial killings.
A report by pressure group Human Rights Watch earlier this year said methods used by Iraqi police included beating detainees with cables, hanging them from their wrists for long periods and giving electric shocks to sensitive parts of the body".
But the evidence shows that they are following the example set rather closely.