Originally posted by DreamlaXThere is a Buddhist view on EVERYTHING.
Here is the Buddhist view on re-incarnation.
Our mind is a formless continuum. It is formless, meaning it has no physical properties at all, and it is a continuum, in this case implying it does not have a start or an end. When we are wide awake, we have awareness of the objects around us, we see chairs, cars, money, we hear and smell objects and so on. W ...[text shortened]... s a formless continuum that enters and leaves many bodies, like a traveller stays in many homes.
The one I like the best is that the only way to stop war is to douse yourself with gasoline and light yourself as a flaming torch.
That works. I wish it would catch on a bit though amongst the anit-war mongers of the world. It would make for a better place to live.
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Originally posted by StarValleyWyBuddhism is a great religion with deep roots and it's beliefs are most refreshing! We are lucky to have dreamlax provide insight from it on various topics on these forums.
There is a Buddhist view on EVERYTHING.
The one I like the best is that the only way to stop war is to douse yourself with gasoline and light yourself as a flaming torch.
That works. I wish it would catch on a bit though amongst the anit-war mongers of the world. It would make for a better place to live.
😛😠😵
as for the burning, it is more likely that the war mongers will set themselves on fire first, though probably not with gasoline.
as Father Perrault said to Robert Conway in Lost Horizon:
When the strong have devoured each other, the meek shall truly inherit the earth
in friendship,
prad
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Originally posted by pradtfIf we don't decide to take the meek and stuff them with nice onions and eat them.
When the strong have devoured each other, the meek shall truly inherit the earth
in friendship,
prad[/b]
😛
That is the risk you run be refusing to see that the people in the Sudan who are doing 'ethnic cleansing' don't think much of the meek. The list of bad guys is as long or longer than the list of good guys.
All I'm saying is that a foolish refusal to acknowlege this simple... obvious truth makes civilization weaker. The simple logic is that to not oppose the bad guys and kill them... increases their number and boldness.
You and I will never agree on this. It is why I am proud to be a Chimp and all you want to do is Worship them.
Originally posted by StarValleyWyThich Nhat Hnah describes the act of self-immolation as follows:
There is a Buddhist view on EVERYTHING.
The one I like the best is that the only way to stop war is to douse yourself with gasoline and light yourself as a flaming torch.
That works. I wish it would catch on a bit though amongst the anit-war mongers of the world. It would make for a better place to live.
😛😠😵
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The press spoke then of suicide, but in the essence, it is not. It is not even a protest. What the monks said in the letters they left before burning themselves aimed only at alarming, at moving the hearts of the oppressors, and at calling the attention of the world to the suffering endured then by the Vietnamese. To burn oneself by fire is to prove that what one is saying is of the utmost importance…. The Vietnamese monk, by burning himself, says with all his strength and determination that he can endure the greatest of sufferings to protect his people…. To express will by burning oneself, therefore, is not to commit an act of destruction but to perform an act of construction, that is, to suffer and to die for the sake of one’s people. This is not suicide.
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http://www.uwec.edu/greider/BMRB/culture/student.work/hicksr/
Originally posted by pradtfAnd as long as we are being frank.
in friendship,
prad[/b]
I want you to be on official notice that because I know that you know that this insipid "in friendship" is an insult of great proportion... and hurts me greatly each time you do it... I consider you to be a sadist and a cruel person.
I hate you. You hate me. That is the truth. I know it surely as I know that you will now come back with all the "I hate nobody" stuff. You will be calling me a liar at that point. I know what I love and I know what I hate. OK?
Why can't you treat me as a being and not as a pet? Pets are for loving. I'm not your pet. Friendship must be a two way thing... else you are just a Senator from Vermont named Patrick.
I really want some respect. Your usage of "in friendship" implies that I care for you. I don't. If you have any feelings at all, you will stop this usage with me.
If you don't... let it be seen as a deliberate attempt to hurt me. At which time I must warn you... I will respond in kind.
Please don't blow this off. It is important to me. I want you to just have a few guts and sign off as 'prad' or whatever... when posting to me.
Mike
Originally posted by fjordNo problem. I said that I'm all for it. Really. Grand Idea.
Thich Nhat Hnah describes the act of self-immolation as follows:
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The press spoke then of suicide, but in the essence, it is not. It is not even a protest. What the monks said in the letters they left before burning themselves aimed only at alarming, at moving the hearts of the oppressors, and at calling the attention of the world to the suffering end ...[text shortened]... is is not suicide.
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http://www.uwec.edu/greider/BMRB/culture/student.work/hicksr/
To try and explain it only makes it... petty. You know? They did what they had to do. That takes some courage.
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Originally posted by StarValleyWymy my and i always thought you liked to be considered 'thick skinned' 😀
If you don't... let it be seen as a deliberate attempt to hurt me. At which time I must warn you... I will respond in kind.
Please don't blow this off. It is important to me. I want you to just have a few guts and sign off as 'prad' or whatever... when posting to me.
Mike
a little signature bothers you so much?
i don't really see who put you in a position to dictate what my sig should be - i don't even mind your borrowing its variations at times, since i never copyrighted it. 😀
as far as all the 'hate' stuff, what makes you think it matters in the slightest to me whether you 'hate me' or not. i think you flatter yourself a bit much. i certainly don't, and as a result don't consider getting into this emotional drivel particularly useful. you are free to fantasize as you will though.
however, if it will really make you feel better i can send a bit of mockery your way once in a while. you seem to find that sort of thing endearing and i suppose it can be amusing to some extent. besides, i like to think i have a pretty good sense of humour even though nobody else seems to acknowledge it here too often 🙁
in friendship,
prad
ps if you really find it important that we discuss this further, please do so in your own To StarValley thread instead of here, which after all is supposed to be about reincarnation.
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Originally posted by pradtfBecause I have just been reborn to hate you even more. Why do you insist on such a silly argument?
ps if you really find it important that we discuss this further, please do so in your own To StarValley thread instead of here, which after all is supposed to be about reincarnation.[/b]
You must really hate me to not want to just sign 'Prad'.
Or is there a deeper reason for refusal? Like instructions from the church as to how you will 'always' do it?
<edit> As to you protecting RC from me stealing his thread.... I just have to chuckle at that. What a concept. Grow up.
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Two points spring to mind
1) energy never disappears it only changes form.
2) dead bodies are naturally broken down with chemical elements returned to the earth to be reused as part of the cycle of life etc...
Therefore if the soul exists, i would guess that some sort of change & re-used would occur. Reincarnation ? perhaps Recycling is a better word.
Originally posted by Jay PeateaBut here, you are assuming the soul takes on physical properties. If the soul did take on physical properties, re-incarnation would be limited.
Two points spring to mind
1) energy never disappears it only changes form.
2) dead bodies are naturally broken down with chemical elements returned to the earth to be reused as part of the cycle of life etc...
Therefore if the soul exists, i would guess that some sort of change & re-used would occur. Reincarnation ? perhaps Recycling is a better word.
Originally posted by DreamlaXSo, do you think there is a real difference between the physical and spiritual? Your response seems to indicate this, as you seem to be claiming that it is unjustified to conceive of the soul as something "physical" or as something with "spiritual properties".
But here, you are assuming the soul takes on physical properties. If the soul did take on physical properties, re-incarnation would be limited.
Originally posted by bbarrIn order for our mind to leave one body and enter another possibly in the other side of the universe, it must lack all physical properties, to surpass the speed of light.
So, do you think there is a real difference between the physical and spiritual? Your response seems to indicate this, as you seem to be claiming that it is unjustified to conceive of the soul as something "physical" or as something with "spiritual properties".
It's quite confusing for me and probably a few others... I consider the mind and soul to be the same, that is why I talk about our mind going from life to life.
Originally posted by DreamlaXSo.. you have it all figured out.
In order for our mind to leave one body and enter another possibly in the other side of the universe, it must lack all physical properties, to surpass the speed of light.
It's quite confusing for me and probably a few others... I consider the mind and soul to be the same, that is why I talk about our mind going from life to life.
I'm so glad.
What is mind?
Or do you only invest in "leaving" ?
Originally posted by DreamlaXHmmm. So, the mind has no physical properties, but the body does have physical properties. Yet, the mind and body are the same. This is contradictory, it is a violation of the law of identity. For any two things, X and Y, to be the same thing, it must be the case that they have all their properties in common. It the mind and body are the same thing, then they must have their properties in common. Yet you also maintain that their properties differ. How do you explain this obvious inconsistency?
In order for our mind to leave one body and enter another possibly in the other side of the universe, it must lack all physical properties, to surpass the speed of light.
It's quite confusing for me and probably a few others... I consider the mind and soul to be the same, that is why I talk about our mind going from life to life.
Originally posted by bbarri thought he equated the mind and soul in that post not the body and mind.
Hmmm. So, the mind has no physical properties, but the body does have physical properties. Yet, the mind and body are the same. This is contradictory,
but i may have missed something and apologies to both of you if i did.
i am very interested in how this discussion develops.
in friendship,
prad