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    14 Jan '16 12:45
    http://www.cc.com/video-clips/wl49bc/the-daily-show-with-trevor-noah-arizona-gives-native-americans-the-shaft?xrs=synd_youtube_011316_tds_10

    "religion freedom is guaranteed to every american... as long as they choose the right religion"
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    14 Jan '16 20:59
    Originally posted by Zahlanzi
    http://www.cc.com/video-clips/wl49bc/the-daily-show-with-trevor-noah-arizona-gives-native-americans-the-shaft?xrs=synd_youtube_011316_tds_10

    "religion freedom is guaranteed to every american... as long as they choose the right religion"
    It would be harder, I think, for an openly atheist individual to win public office in the US than an openly gay individual.
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    14 Jan '16 21:201 edit
    Originally posted by Zahlanzi
    http://www.cc.com/video-clips/wl49bc/the-daily-show-with-trevor-noah-arizona-gives-native-americans-the-shaft?xrs=synd_youtube_011316_tds_10

    "religion freedom is guaranteed to every american... as long as they choose the right religion"
    Shut yer pie hole.
    People are free to be christian jew hindu muslim atheist scientologist martian-agnostic or whatever they want in America.
    wHY DON'T YOU BLABBER ON ABOUT MUSLIM COUNTRIES THAT JAIL CHRISTIANS OR EXECUTE MUSLIMS THAT CONVERT?
    Dick.
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    14 Jan '16 22:16
    Originally posted by FishHead111
    wHY DON'T YOU BLABBER ON ABOUT MUSLIM COUNTRIES THAT JAIL CHRISTIANS OR EXECUTE MUSLIMS THAT CONVERT?
    Dick.
    As soon as the US military is finished bombing Doctors Without Borders hospitals and getting civil wars started in every country from Morocco to Bangladesh (except Israel), I'm sure we'll all give that our due attention.
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    14 Jan '16 22:21
    Originally posted by Soothfast to Zahlanzi
    It would be harder, I think, for an openly atheist individual to win public office in the US than an openly gay individual.
    Would Caitlyn (formerly Bruce) Jenner, a rich supporter of the Republican Party, have
    received as much support if she had come out as an atheist rather than as a transgender woman?
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    14 Jan '16 22:51
    Originally posted by Soothfast
    As soon as the US military is finished bombing Doctors Without Borders hospitals and getting civil wars started in every country from Morocco to Bangladesh (except Israel), I'm sure we'll all give that our due attention.
    Crappiest .....analogy....ever.
    Try to make sense next time.
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    15 Jan '16 00:54
    Originally posted by FishHead111
    Crappiest .....analogy....ever.
    Try to make sense next time.
    You first. I don't think "analogy" means what you think it means.
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    15 Jan '16 01:17
    Originally posted by Duchess64
    Would Caitlyn (formerly Bruce) Jenner, a rich supporter of the Republican Party, have
    received as much support if she had come out as an atheist rather than as a transgender woman?
    Frankly, I have never felt attacked for being an atheist. If there is a Prime Mover, it is some sort of force. It is neither omniscient nor omnipotent. It has no direct or indirect awareness or interest in me. Organized religion has caused far more suffering and pain on the planet than good. So to answer Duchesse64, I really don't think most people would make a big deal out of Jenner declaring to be an atheist.
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    15 Jan '16 01:57
    this is less about atheism and more about discrimination. fox and friends are always whining about christmas/christianity/christian values being under attack. they praised that homophobe for refusing to do her job (issuing marriage licenses). they keep advocating that christians' right to practice their religion is being taken away.


    i want to see republicans defend these native americans and their right to practice THEIR religion. i want to see these people make just as much fuss as they did when starbucks decided that maybe a red cup is festive enough without barfing christmas cheer all over it, especially since now it would be a valid reason.
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    15 Jan '16 03:021 edit
    Originally posted by Phranny
    Frankly, I have never felt attacked for being an atheist. If there is a Prime Mover, it is some sort of force. It is neither omniscient nor omnipotent. It has no direct or indirect awareness or interest in me. Organized religion has caused far more suffering and pain on the planet than good. So to answer Duchesse64, I really don't think most people would make a big deal out of Jenner declaring to be an atheist.
    Caitlyn (formerly Bruce) Jenner was a minor celebrity, so most Americans would hardly have
    cared about what she believed. But I was writing in the context of Soothfast's post, which
    referred to coming out as an atheist as an ambitious politician rather than as a private citizen.

    My point was that if a transgender woman ran for public office, she would encounter
    bigotry and hatred but there also would be people praising her courage and supporting
    her as a pioneer for LGBT rights. If an atheist ran for public office, however, one would
    encounter hostility (particularly from fundamentalist Christians) without people expressing similar support.

    I do believe, however, that a transgender woman is more at risk than an atheist of
    being physically assaulted by hateful bigots.
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    16 Jan '16 01:15
    Originally posted by Zahlanzi
    this is less about atheism and more about discrimination. fox and friends are always whining about christmas/christianity/christian values being under attack. they praised that homophobe for refusing to do her job (issuing marriage licenses). they keep advocating that christians' right to practice their religion is being taken away.


    i want to see repub ...[text shortened]... gh without barfing christmas cheer all over it, especially since now it would be a valid reason.
    Christians, like myself, are not in the habbit of defending false religions. We have enough to do to defend the true religion. 😏
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    16 Jan '16 01:17
    Originally posted by Duchess64
    Caitlyn (formerly Bruce) Jenner was a minor celebrity, so most Americans would hardly have
    cared about what she believed. But I was writing in the context of Soothfast's post, which
    referred to coming out as an atheist as an ambitious politician rather than as a private citizen.

    My point was that if a transgender woman ran for public office, she wou ...[text shortened]... nsgender woman is more at risk than an atheist of
    being physically assaulted by hateful bigots.
    It looks like you got off on the wrong thread. This is not the transgender thread. 😏
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    16 Jan '16 21:07
    Originally posted by RJHinds
    Christians, like myself, are not in the habbit of defending false religions. We have enough to do to defend the true religion. 😏
    Nobody expects or even hopes for tolerant opinions from Christians like yourself. One fondly hopes, however, that there are other Christians with more flexible iamginations who can envisage the possibility, if only in abstract principle, that other people might have different views without being evil incarnate. I suppose a model might be the Qu'ran in its injunction to respect Christians, Jews and other "people of the book" and allow them to exercie their different beliefs in public without oppression - something without precedent in Judaism or Christianity. One might also note the Islamic teaching that, since there is only one God, then the diverse religions are worshipping the same God and benefit from different revelations which have their own validity.

    With Christianity as with Judaism and Islam, one encounters the problem of needing to defend their right to hold vile opinions, while knowing that included within their number are the outliers, like RJH, who wish to abuse their freedom to promote only division and hatred. Tiresome, really.
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    16 Jan '16 23:39
    Originally posted by RJHinds
    Christians, like myself, are not in the habbit of defending false religions. We have enough to do to defend the true religion. 😏
    hence my point: religion is free in america, as long as it is the right religion.
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    17 Jan '16 01:18
    Originally posted by Zahlanzi
    hence my point: religion is free in america, as long as it is the right religion.
    Actually, the Christian religion is the only religion that is continually attacked in America. There is very little attacks on other religions here, because we recognize their right to worship in peace.
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