Article 3 [State Goals] of the constitution of the Islamic republic of Iran
(extracts)
1) the creation of a favorable environment for the growth of moral virtues based on faith and piety and the struggle against all forms of vice and corruption;
How can Iran have hope to grow moral values without having a
handle of Western bioethics?
2) raising the level of public awareness in all areas, through the proper use of the press, mass media, and other means;
What debate is there over what construes a proper use?
5) the complete elimination of imperialism and the prevention of foreign influence;
In its second meaning the term describes the imperialistic attitude of superiority, subordination and dominion over foreign peoples.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Imperialism
Isn't that exactly what Islamic idealism is striving to do?
6) the elimination of all forms of despotism and autocracy and all attempts to monopolize power;
Yes, power will remain free unless it is questioned
7) ensuring political and social freedoms within the framework of the law;
That is the law that defines political and social freedoms
8) the participation of the entire people in determining their political, economic, social, and cultural destiny;
The entire people being those of Islamic faith and supporters of Islamic rule
9) the abolition of all forms of undesirable discrimination and the provision of equitable opportunities for all, in both the material and the intellectual spheres;
Other than discrimination already outlined by Islam
10) the creation of a correct administrative system and elimination of superfluous government organizations;
ie any agencies that do not support Islam
11) all round strengthening of the foundations of national defence to the utmost degree by means of universal military training for the sake of safeguarding the independence, territorial integrity, and the Islamic order of the country;
The nation agrees that as a result of this constitution. In the event
that we do go to war for reasons unknown. Any political change will be
put on hold for the course of this endevour.
12) the planning of a correct and just economic system, in accordance with Islamic criteria, in order to create welfare, eliminate poverty, and abolish all forms of deprivation with respect to food, housing, work, health care, and the provision of social insurance for all;
Unless this contravenes clause 11
13) the attainment of self-sufficiency in scientific, technological, industrial, agricultural, and military domains, and other similar spheres;
Including those attributed to imperialisation and the freedom of women
e.g. Marie Curie and nuclear capability.
16) framing the foreign policy of the country on the basis of Islamic criteria, fraternal commitment to all Muslims, and unsparing support to the freedom fighters of the world.
If you do not agree with this constitution, you do not agree with Allah
Originally posted by Thequ1ckHuh?
1) the creation of a favorable environment for the growth of moral virtues based on faith and piety and the struggle against all forms of vice and corruption;
How can Iran have hope to grow moral values without having a
handle of Western bioethics?
Why do they need to adopt western ethics?
Edit: I find nothing wrong with any of the goals stated by the Iranians.
Originally posted by RetrovirusYes, that one was a retrovirological question.
Huh?
Why do they need to adopt western ethics?
Edit: I find nothing wrong with any of the goals stated by the Iranians.
edit : How do you imagine Islamic culture will adapt to changes in bioethics?
Do you imagine they will have any more input than the Christians or just
provide some bastial relief?
what right have to you question their way of life?
how does it effect you in your day to day life?
edit:
all your views in italic are irrelevant.
You have changed the meaning of their 'constitution' to suite your anti- iranian and anti-Islamic views. I do not understand what you are trying to debate other then to cause hate and mis-trust.
Originally posted by spurs73While Iran is one of the countries whre freedom of speach is a sad joke...
yes indeed...however this so called freedom of speech seem to run one way!
quoted http://www.freedomhouse.org/template.cfm?page=22&year=2007
Several of the countries that showed declines during the year were already ranked among the world's most repressive states: Burma, Zimbabwe, Somalia, Eritrea and Iran
...It does not mean that the same should be here to balance it.
I, for one, disagree with Thequ1ck.
I see nothing wrong with the goals stated in Iran's contitution.
Originally posted by RetrovirusI agree with you. My post was aimed at Thequ1ck.
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I, for one, disagree with Thequ1ck.
I see nothing wrong with the goals stated in Iran's contitution.[/b]
I am not sure what point he is trying to make? He has very little knowledge of the middle-east and very poor understanding on the topic of Islam/Muslim..but he is commenting as though he is an expect.
Churning out rubbish he reads in tabliot newpapers.... he comes out with the same rubbish in every thread.
Originally posted by spurs73My mistake...
I agree with you. My post was aimed at Thequ1ck.
I am not sure what point he is trying to make? He has very little knowledge of the middle-east and very poor understanding on the topic of Islam/Muslim..but he is commenting as though he is an expect.
Churning out rubbish he reads in tabliot newpapers.... he comes out with the same rubbish in every thread.
I should really get some sleep if I'm that tired.
Good night folks!
Originally posted by RetrovirusReally? Then please let me sell you a car.
While Iran is one of the countries whre freedom of speach is a sad joke...
quoted http://www.freedomhouse.org/template.cfm?page=22&year=2007
[b]Several of the countries that showed declines during the year were already ranked among the world's most repressive states: Burma, Zimbabwe, Somalia, Eritrea and Iran
...It does not mean that the s ...[text shortened]... one, disagree with Thequ1ck.
I see nothing wrong with the goals stated in Iran's contitution.[/b]
Originally posted by spurs73Are you English? You've got the smell of football on your breath.
what right have to you question their way of life?
how does it effect you in your day to day life?
edit:
all your views in italic are irrelevant.
You have changed the meaning of their 'constitution' to suite your anti- iranian and anti-Islamic views. I do not understand what you are trying to debate other then to cause hate and mis-trust.
I have freedom of speech and I'm making full use of it thank you.
I am not changing the meaning of the constitution, I am criticising it.
Yes I am anti-Islamic, I am also anti-Christian and would feel right
at home picking out the current administrations contradictions in US
policy. However, that is not the subject at hand.
Mis-trust you say? Good, I'm getting through. Hate. ohoh you gone
too far and never even made it out of the wet paper bag that you call
a sentence.
Originally posted by Retroviruswell it is nothing wrong with those goals. except most of them are flagrantly violated in iranian society. it is exactly like the constitutions of the communist states from the eastern block(former).
Huh?
Why do they need to adopt western ethics?
Edit: I find nothing wrong with any of the goals stated by the Iranians.
all tyrannies have "free elections". in my country, people got together and voted for the president. only problem was nobody was running against the president. in florida people unlikely to vote for bush were not allowed to vote. and so on.
we shouldn't be discussing what a great constitution Iran has. We should be discussing how much of it is applied and how
Originally posted by spurs73he took articles from the constitution and commented them
I agree with you. My post was aimed at Thequ1ck.
I am not sure what point he is trying to make? He has very little knowledge of the middle-east and very poor understanding on the topic of Islam/Muslim..but he is commenting as though he is an expect.
Churning out rubbish he reads in tabliot newpapers.... he comes out with the same rubbish in every thread.
An example
6) the elimination of all forms of despotism and autocracy and all attempts to monopolize power;
are you saying that there isn't a monopole of power in iran? are you saying that coz if you do you need to wait until you are five years old to start talking. children should be seen not heard young man.
16)framing the foreign policy of the country on the basis of Islamic criteria, fraternal commitment to all Muslims, and unsparing support to the freedom fighters of the world.
support to the freedom fighters of the world. guess who they are referring to. i will give you a hint: he is not referring to santa's elves.
any government that supports cowards that blow themselves up in schools is anything other than democratic and peaceful. evil is such a strong word but might apply here